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[Dun4791]

Maybe they got all the allocations from the 10% of dealers that Ford said would PAY for their shenanigans because Ford knew who they were????

Ford is still going to ship maverick to the galpins of the world for stock to charge over for while sold retail orders continue to get passed up because the dealer they ordered from has no allocations. Business as usual, nothing to see here, these are not the droids you’re looking for, nothing will change.

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[999]

Always stunned by the attitude that business people attempting to make a profit is "a rip off", or "slimeball tactics".

The story on the Bronco forum is that a guy was offered 2.8% financing in the finance office at Granger. Turns out he qualified for 0% thru Ford. He questioned the 2.8%, and was ultimately offered 0%.
Is 2.8% exorbitant? No.
Is it the dealer/finance guy's responsibility to get you the lowest price possible? Pretty sure it's not.

They need to make MONEY to keep the doors open and keep people employed.

 

[999]

I had a similar experience to the Bronco Sport fella when picking up my XL Hybrid.

I applied for financing online at my Credit Union (2.49% for 60) and Ford (1.99% for 60). When I went into the finance office, the guy showed me payments with financing at 2.75% for 60. I said "that's nice, but I want 1.9% from Ford. Here is my approval".

He hemmed and hawed, then redid the financing.

I didn't take it personally.

He tried to sell me an extended warranty, I nipped that in the bud.

I told him I will only keep the truck for a year. (A great to end that conversation quick).

People- do your homework!

Have financing lined up before driving to pick up your Maverick. If you have a trade, get firm buy offers before driving to pick up your Maverick. It is your job to be informed and do your homework.

I found people waiting 15 months for a bronco from grainger, but there is a chance that they are getting cars faster now, I hope..

Also came across this, which I assume is how they make a good bit of money back?

https://www.broncosportforum.com/forum/threads/my-disappointing-experience-with-granger-motors.2830/

 

[RonFetty]

I had a similar experience to the Bronco Sport fella when picking up my XL Hybrid.

I applied for financing online at my Credit Union (2.49% for 60) and Ford (1.99% for 60). When I went into the finance office, the guy showed me payments with financing at 2.75% for 60. I said "that's nice, but I want 1.9% from Ford. Here is my approval".

He hemmed and hawed, then redid the financing.

I didn't take it personally.

He tried to sell me an extended warranty, I nipped that in the bud.

I told him I will only keep the truck for a year. (A great to end that conversation quick).

People- do your homework!

Have financing lined up before driving to pick up your Maverick. If you have a trade, get firm buy offers before driving to pick up your Maverick. It is your job to be informed and do your homework.

Just to confirm, This happened at granger? Or you talking about another dealer?

 

[thevol]

Has anyone gotten an update on ROVP's from @Granger Ford ? Just figured I'd ask since its been ~a week since the deadline

I called ford today to check and they looked up my order and said it was in and approved whatever that means. He put me old hold to get more info then it kicked me to an automated survey and hungup. Would call back but dont really want to mess with being on hold again, think everything is good, well for now.

 

[Goosey]

I called ford today to check and they looked up my order and said it was in and approved whatever that means. He put me old hold to get more info then it kicked me to an automated survey and hungup. Would call back but dont really want to mess with being on hold again, think everything is good, well for now.

Cool thanks! I was hoping no news is good news at this point but never hurts to double check...

 

[RonFetty]

I called ford today to check and they looked up my order and said it was in and approved whatever that means. He put me old hold to get more info then it kicked me to an automated survey and hungup. Would call back but dont really want to mess with being on hold again, think everything is good, well for now.

I’ve had a similar experience (minus the survey)

they kept me on hold forever, then sent me to a voicemail, then never returned my calls.

I guess that’s part of the trade-off. I mean you save 3K soooo… you can’t really have your cake and eat it too.

Edit: I think you cold Ford corporate? I was ref granger in my post

 

[thevol]

I’ve had a similar experience (minus the survey)

they kept me on hold forever, then sent me to a voicemail, then never returned my calls.

I guess that’s part of the trade-off. I mean you save 3K soooo… you can’t really have your cake and eat it too.

Edit: I think you cold Ford corporate? I was ref granger in my post

Yes I called Ford corporate, think it is out of Grangers hands for the most part, at least thats my impression, until it shows up at the dealership.

 

[RonFetty]

Yes I called Ford corporate, think it is out of Grangers hands for the most part, at least thats my impression, until it shows up at the dealership.

yeah if they submitted everything then nothing else they need to do but wait.

Granger could bump you up at priority 10, but that would not be fair to the other people waiting in line.

 

[MakinDoForNow]

Ford will do nothing about the 10%. 100% of the dealers in SoCal (at least 10) have changed nothing.

My point was that all the allocations for granger were possibly moved from the 10% (even though we all suspect it is much more than 10% of the adm dealers) in order to build grangers orders!

 

[RonFetty]

My point was that all the allocations for granger were possibly moved from the 10% (even though we all suspect it is much more than 10% of the adm dealers) in order to build grangers orders!

doubt it. It may hit them more slots on the round Robbin, but they won’t get all of them

 

[RonFetty]

“Allocation is largely determined by (1) dealer allocation, (2) order priority, and (3) component availability and (4) production capacity (part shortages not withstanding).

Placing Your Order at the Dealership:

Two (major) things affect your order once your dealer enters it into the system: priority order code and dealer allocation.

Priority Code:

Ford only schedules so many orders (from dealers) each week. As a result, each dealership has to determine what order (sequence) their truck orders should be picked up in. A holding queue for that dealership, if you will, with all the truck orders in a single line from which only one truck at a time can be released, is needed. Think of it as thread off of a spool or a print job from a printer queue.

To do this, the dealer uses/assigns a priority code from 10 to 99 to each order. If your dealer prints your order or shows you the screen, you'll see it on there.

While 10 is a lower numerical number, it is the highest priority order code a dealer can assign. Subsequently, while 99 is a higher numerical value, it is the lowest priority. Think of a priority order code the same way you would think of a college football player being "ranked" for an upcoming draft (1st is highest ranked, then 2nd, then 3rd, etc.). Until the orders are selected for scheduling by Ford, the priority order codes only apply internally at each dealership. Meaning, this is the order in which that the dealership will "release" the customer orders in when Ford asks for them. This allows the dealership to prioritize certain trucks AHEAD of other trucks, regardless of when the customer actually placed the order. That's why it pays to get the highest priority order code (lowest number) assigned to your order. Dealerships often (but not always) assign lower priority order codes (higher numbers) to stock orders while assigning higher priority order codes (lower numbers) to retail orders so you (a retail buyer placing an order) get your truck faster, which means they sell a truck faster.

Before moving on, note that while the highest priority order code a DEALERSHIP can assign is 10, Ford Motor Company (the manufacturer) can assign a priority order code of 01 to 09. Essentially, Ford can decide if any particular dealer orders should be prioritized higher than "most" others. They often use higher priority to replace vehicles damaged during transport.

So at this point, we have a list of truck orders for each dealer and the orders are lined up in the sequence that the dealer wants them pulled for scheduling based on their priority order code. I believe tiebreakers (same priority order code for more than one truck) are determined by the date/time the order was entered).

Allocation:

Ford allows each dealer to order a certain number of F150's per week. This is called dealer allocation. The number of trucks a dealership is allocated differs from dealer to dealer. One dealer may have an allocation of 10 trucks per week, while another might have 50 per week. Ford determines allocation for each dealer, largely depending on how many trucks that dealership is moving.

Keep allocation in mind for later.

How Orders are Picked From Order System (from the dealers) FOR Scheduling:

On WED/THU of each week, the Ford planning system reviews all the orders at the dealerships to select which ones it is going to accept into the system for purposes of scheduling them to be built. It does NOT just take ALL orders and schedule them for build.

Which sequence the orders are selected to come into the planning system is based on a combination of (a) round-robin dealership selection process (think of it as teams participating in the NFL draft) and (b) allocation (how many TOTAL orders (aka players) a single dealer can select during the entire draft (for the entire week).

Here's the process, at very high level:

Think of the selection process working like the "draft" process for major sports: Each team (dealer) gets ONE choice per "round" to send ONE order for planning, just like each team gets to select ONE college player per round.

Round 1: Each dealership gets ONE choice. For each dealership, the truck with the highest priority order code (lowest number) within that dealership is selected. Once every dealer has had the opportunity to send ONE order for planning, its starts back over. Same order of teams, just a new round.

Round 2: Each dealer, again, gets ONE choice. They send the truck order that had the next highest priority order code (lowest number) in their queue.

Round 3, 4, 5 ... : It goes from round to round allowing each dealer to get ONE pick per round, and each dealer picking their highest priority customer order left in the queue.

Now here's the tricky part: Remember dealer allocation?

Dealers don't just get to keep submitting orders until every order they have has been sent for scheduling. This is largely due to capacity and material planning.

Each week, each dealer will only have orders picked for scheduling until the dealer's number of orders selected reaches their allocation. For example, if a dealership's allocation is 10 trucks per week, that dealership will "cut off" from having more orders selected for scheduling starting in "Round 11". That dealership is done participating in the draft for that week.

After allocation is met and a dealer is cut off for the week, the orders left over in that dealership's internal queue must now wait until NEXT week for the same process to begin.

The very next WED/THU, the same process starts again: Round-robin, highest priority, next highest priority, etc., until allocation is met for that week, then no more for that dealership again until the following week.

This is why it, if you're trying to order a vehicle that is in high demand, you should work with a dealer that has a very large allocation. They can order more trucks per week. It' less likely that your order will get held over until the following week (or weeks).

Allocation is why some people on here have been waiting for several MONTHS just to see their truck get scheduled to be built, while other guys ordered much LATER, yet their trucks are already scheduled, built, or delivered.

How Picked Orders are Scheduled for Build AFTER Ford Selects Them Each Week:

Remember when I said that priority order code only applies internally? Well, that now changes. Now, the priority order code is a factor in determining which orders get scheduled before other orders across all dealership orders.

Let's say that 15,000 orders for F150 trucks are selected to be scheduled for build. The order with the highest priority (lowest number) gets scheduled first. Lots of trucks have the same priority code, so the process generally follows a pattern of date/time the order was entered (selected during the "draft", which was based on the date/time the orders were entered). It's actually more involved then that, but that's it in a nutshell.

Vehicles are first assigned to be built during a certain week (shows as a Monday date). As it gets closer to that week, the vehicles are assigned to specific build DATES (the day of). All of this is based on (and sometimes is affected later by) a variable plethora of variables, including material planning/component and part availability, plant production capacity and rates, the labor issues or weather causing delays or shortages, etc., etc..

Understand that trucks are not built in the order of the VIN number. A VIN is assigned before a truck is built. There are many factors that affect when a truck will be assigned to be built, but suffice it to say, they aren't in VIN order.

As a consequence, the assembly plant needs a way to keep track of what order they WILL build the trucks in. If they didn't, they would not be able to ensure that the RIGHT parts are at the RIGHT places at the RIGHT times. Today, many components are shipped to the assembly plants either sequences (a specific component is going to be installed on one EXACT VIN) or they are shipped "just in time". The latter simply allows Ford to maintain a much smaller component inventory level. If you go back 15-20 years or more, they used to keep much more inventory on hand -- sometimes WEEKS. Carrying inventory costs money, and JIT reduces this cost.

How they keep track of the build order is by what is called a BLEND number. Actually, it's a combination of a BLEND number and a ROTATION number, but that's not important.

A blend number is nothing more than bank of numbers assigned in numerical order to a vehicle when it's scheduled. For the F150, it's ~10K numbers from 0001 to 9999 The trucks are built in order of blend number. 3456 is after 3455 and before 3457. Occasionally, an odd blend number will come along. If a vehicle build is put on hold at the last minute, simply re-insert it (same blend number) somewhere later.”

 

[Telemachus]

Interesting read. It seems like that is how it would work in a world without constraints.

In our current world, that process is probably far too simplistic.

 

[Barracuda340]

Has anybody who ordered their maverick through Granger with the 3,000 off MSRP got their truck yet? Or got a vin number with a scheduled to build yet?

 

[Granger Ford]

Has anyone gotten an update on ROVP's from @Granger Ford ? Just figured I'd ask since its been ~a week since the deadline

No, we've had 3 get approved and we have a million pending. I'm sure like us, they had a huge rush and it'll take a while to work through.

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