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If we cant get hybrid engine why do we have to pay for the eco boost engine.
Don't attack, its not unreasonable to ask. In a Sept 8 article, Ford emailed Autoblog to tell them the hybrid would be available at launch, but of course only the eco ended up being available at launch. This 2.0 hybrid engine is basically the same as the Escape so EPA should not have been an issue.Not this garbage again.
EPA has released MPG numbers for the Hybrid.
EPA has the emissions testing done for at least 8 States.
Smog ratings for Hybrids - What's your window sticker say?
EPA needs emissions testing to be done on all 50 States which takes time.
How many times do we have to see this stupid speculation that something has to be tweaked by Ford because "something is up with the hybrid that Ford engineers need time to fix"
Plus, I got my window sticker for my hybrid in production. Under "Optional Equipment/Other" a line item says "50 State Emissions No Charge" I doubt they would have been able to include that on the sticker if it was not already complete.
Ford is telling us emissions testing still needs to be done even though 1) hybrid EPA mpg was released weeks ago, 2) this extended shipping delay did not happen with the eco, and 3) my window sticker already shows 50 state emissions.
Keep an open mind, or go ahead and get mad when I say this if you want that is OK too...
Maybe, just maybe there is really a problem Ford does not want us to know about. It makes no sense that the first hybrid deliveries are still 1 1/2 months+ out not until January - even on already built hybrids. Come January who knows, Ford may say sorry you now have to wait until March. Keeping us waiting in smaller increments could be a strategy to buy them enough time.
Ok, ponder this. It's not appropriately sized for sustained highway speeds over (62-65mph) so they need to resize and retune ice to allow more HP so additional overdrive ratios could be used and need additional battery size to help control battery heat. But it still looks to me like not much additional battery would be necessary. Unless current battery is somewhat undersized for optimal usage now. Cannot second guess this stuff without lots of data.
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You were not asking but speculating.
It is unreasonable to post unfounded speculation as fact that has been posted over and over and over again on this forum that has been debunked over and over again. So much so that it is nauseating.
Yes I am mad that this debunked theory "something is up with the hybrid that Ford engineers need time to fix" keeps getting posted as some fact as to why OKTB hasn't happened.
Tim has stated that OKTB was waiting on emissions tested to be completed for all 50 States.
Ford has stated shipping will commence in December for January delivery.
There is no grand conspiracy here.
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I'm missing the point, for sure. All I know is that Ford has the maximum number of hybrid orders that can be produced for the 2022 model. Future orders will be for the 2023 model. If there's some conspiracy by Ford to stop selling trucks, I hope somebody'll share it with us. It should be entertaining, at least.
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Yep you got mad after all just like I thought. No conspiracy just wondering. Whether its a computer, a mattress, or a car, no one should be expected to buy anything without questions answered. If you are OK with Ford's emissions story even though my window sticker already shows 50 state emissions then that is fine. This is a free country consumers should ask questions and be able to investigate if they want to keep the hybrid, switch to the ecoboost, or buy an electric bike instead.
I guess you also believe what Tim Bartz says. On Oct 7 he posted on another thread here what he called the "Truth", hybrids not delayed. Look it up it is still posted, he should have retracted his promise because it is not the truth after all. Don't forget he is a salesman who I doubt wants to lose sales to maximize his commission and Christmas bonus. I can't imagine he is doing all this out of the kindness of his heart.
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They don't charge you. They tell you your available options, and then you're free to choose what you want to do, whether it be to go with one of their said options or go elsewhere to another brand.
I would agree with you if you had a valid gripe. Such as, if you had a confirmed hybrid order and was told you have to switch to the ecoboost but that isn't the case here. So if you're dead set on getting a 2022 hybrid and Ford says they are sold out, you have all of 2 choices:
1. Scour the private party market.
2. Scour local dealerships for hybrid orders that were canceled by the original retail buyer.
Both will likely come with a significant price mark up.
Good luck to you in whatever decision you choose.
You're not getting more. If people actually wanted that engine it would have been what they ordered. They're getting less mileage, higher maintenance costs, and in some cases are sacrificing values (my last gas only engine) to afford Ford the opportunity to meet their expectation of a fall delivery.
The ecoboost costs more, it doesn't mean they're getting more for their expected use case.
You can start by looking here: https://www.mavericktruckclub.com/f...so-he-doesnt-sound-like-a-broken-record.2773/
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You hybrid folk are an interesting bunch. No one buying the EB cares about getting less mileage than the hybrid. I know I sure don't. No EB buyer is concerned with this perceived higher maintenance cost idea spread by hybrid folk. And values? Gimme a break.....
I'm thinking OP asked a rhetorical question as a thread starter conversation piece.
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Tough Crowd here Give OP a break LOL, he made a decision to order a hybrid ,information from ford was out there that they where in short supply and delayed . You the had a choice switch to eco to get a truck or sit in Limbo. Ford did made good in regards to the AWD - hybrid issue. We live in an amazon world .It is not here in 15 minutes I want it for free .LOL
Give OP a break LOL, he made a decision to order a hybrid ,information from ford was out there that they where in short supply and delayed . You the had a choice switch to eco to get a truck or sit in Limbo. Ford did made good in regards to the AWD - hybrid issue. We live in an amazon world .It is not here in 15 minutes I want it for free .LOL
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Change "thread starter conversation" to trolling and you would be right.
Here’s something for you to consider here folks.
Those of you who have ordered the hybrid should consider the amount of money you are going to save on the purchase price of you vehicle, if they are ‘bought’ after the bill in the house is passed. It provides as much as $12,500 for EV and Hybrids vehicle purchases.
I’ld be happy to a few months to get my truck for half price.
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