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Nah, you're good. I could have made it more clear initially.

Yes, but my point is that an uninformed person the low-level CSR can't contradict anything because they're uninformed. It's the same rationale as weighing an expert in the field equally against a facebook meme. If we take the rational approach and say maybe every dealer isn't scum. There are...

Again, I don't see a contradiction there. I don't believe anyone has come forward with Ford officially telling them that they're being rolled over. Ford would want as much runway as possible. The dealer is more likely to know their projected allocation than a Ford CSR.

Don't see a contradiction there at all. It's a hybrid order. There's probably dealerships who were more chummy with their regional scheduler who frontloaded hybrid allocations just as there were dealerships who didn't receive a single one in 21'.

It absolutely matters. If it didn't you wouldn't have so many people complaining about their week 1 orders still not having been filled or worse even scheduled. Compare that to large dealerships having orders filled into August/September/November. When you go out to dinner with a group of 8...

Disagree. The shame resides with other automakers who have continually raised prices on mid tier offerings without offering the hybrid engines. They've priced themselves out of the segment. There's no way you're not going to take a 22k Maverick over a 31k hybrid CRV/Rav4.

A better turn radius. 20' is good, but the 17' range is ideal to go from K to U.

MBA's are stupid people and most companies are run by them. It's self-evident in the quote. They all ballooned the price of the vehicles to chase profit margins. Tech is cheap compared to the surcharge. Which is why car companies disable features they put into their vehicles.

Bullshit. A 20k truck launching when everything else has ballooned to 30-50k. Particularly one that would offer the same ride quality as an SUV. Then you have the additional high mpg hybrid. This was always going to be a hot vehicle because it hits so many market segments.

The greater crisis fallacy. Voicing a complaint is not to ignore suffering and the problem being first world does not invalidate what is stated. America is the most vehicle dependent country on the planet. Public transportation is crap. Which means delays can affect the livelihoods of the...

No real reason to be optimistic, build dates are getting pushed back weekly.

You can choose not to use a useless metric and make pointless posts and focus the discussion on relevant information just as I did. There's a database on the website, we know orders aren't being filled on order date. It's is therefore easily inferred that there are instances where a large dealer...

Your point is invalid because it's not a worthwhile metric to track. If 40% of a small dealerships Day 1 Sales are complete and 100% of a large dealers are complete. That is a huge discrepancy and favoritism. If the large dealer has 500 orders they're equalized distribution under your model...

Likely, it's just too low a margin vehicle and Ford never intended it to be the primary sales of the line. They were at worst (for them) expecting 70:30. Consumers blew their minds now consumers have to bear the brunt of their idiocy. Doesn't matter what % of orders have been delivered. It's...

Lol 6-11 to 2-14 fuck off ford.

There's no way the dealer is going to cancel the order. They'll accept shipment and put it on the lot.

Probably has something to do with calling it a hybrid truck.

Depends on what my purpose was in getting the vehicle. For a hybrid buy? I'd absolutely consider it. There's not that much more you can do in it vs an SUV. If I can go from 28k to 31k that puts you inbetween a nice price point for compact/crossover or midsize hybrids and then you don't have to...

You're not getting more. If people actually wanted that engine it would have been what they ordered. They're getting less mileage, higher maintenance costs, and in some cases are sacrificing values (my last gas only engine) to afford Ford the opportunity to meet their expectation of a fall...

By stating that 21st deadline for a ceremonial fall delivery you've outed yourself as acknowledging that Ford mislead customers. No one making a faithful argument would hardline the cutoff when customers at large would not be served.