Would you buy an EV maverick for 25-30k?

[dalola]

People keep saying they're forcing EVs on us. I don't see a ton of evidence for that argument. For instance, this ICE ban I've heard people mention, it's not a thing, not in the states at least.

I've heard a few states like California proposing banning the sale of new ICE cars in their state, but for now, it just seems like a proposal, one that's unlikely to go through, and even if they, and New York ban the sale of ICE vehicles, you still have 48 other states to buy from.

That's not even including the fact that most of these ICE bans wouldn't ban things like hybrids. So you could still get away with selling mild hybrids like the maverick, which is nearly identical to an ICE only vehicle. So these ICE vehicle bans, really aren't bans with all the ways you could get around them.

I just don't see a ton of evidence that EVs are being aggressively forced onto people, so I don't understand the narrative. There's nothing stopping someone from buying a new gas car now, or 15 years from now at the rate these proposals are going. When I hear we're being forced into something, it means you aren't given a choice. American consumers have the choice to buy whatever they want, right now, and for the foreseeable future.

The information is readily available. Currently, 9 states have committed to California's ACCII standards, with 8 more states in various stages of adoption, and more to follow. ACCII is very clear about phasing out ICE completely by 2035, and that includes most hybrids.. The current administration has proclaimed HALF of all new cars sold by 2030 must be BEV, tho there is currently no legislation to enforce it. Yet.

Yes, we have choices today, but the impact of what's coming is changing the market prematurely, and unnaturally. Micro-steps are less noticeable, but the day will come when we will all wonder how we got here.

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[OneAlienBoi]

The information is readily available. Currently, 9 states have committed to California's ACCII standards, with 8 more states in various stages of adoption, and more to follow. ACCII is very clear about phasing out ICE completely by 2035, and that includes most hybrids.. The current administration has proclaimed HALF of all new cars sold by 2030 must be BEV, tho there is currently no legislation to enforce it. Yet.

Yes, we have choices today, but the impact of what's coming is changing the market prematurely, and unnaturally. Micro-steps are less noticeable, but the day will come when we will all wonder how we got here.

So 2035, and we all know that's gonna get pushed back if it passes at all, so realistically, it's gonna be 2040, or 2045 if it happens at all. Even the more conservative projections are indicating we'll see around 30% of the new car market comprised of EVs by the end of the 2020s.

If 30% of car sales are EV by the end of the decade, and growing exponentially as these things tend to do, it's not a stretch to assume most consumers will naturally adopt EVs by the 2040s. Basically all of the criticisms of EVs will have been resolved in 10-15 years time, if not sooner. So any hold outs going into the 2040s won't be basing their decision off of logic, but pride, and political propaganda. There's no sense in trying to appeal to those wack jobs.

In other words, in the time frame we're looking at, not months, not years, but decades, yeah, there's gonna be a lot of natural ev adoption for a plethora of reasons. So again, let's not rely on the political scare tactics some are engaging in with uneducated politicians lying to people, and telling them the government is gonna take their ICE cars overnight. It's clearly going to be a more gradual and natural transition than that.

Anyone who hasn't at least given EVs a chance by the 2040s was never gonna give EVs a chance. That's on them more than it is one automakers or the government.

 

[OneAlienBoi]

The information is readily available. Currently, 9 states have committed to California's ACCII standards, with 8 more states in various stages of adoption, and more to follow. ACCII is very clear about phasing out ICE completely by 2035, and that includes most hybrids.. The current administration has proclaimed HALF of all new cars sold by 2030 must be BEV, tho there is currently no legislation to enforce it. Yet.

Yes, we have choices today, but the impact of what's coming is changing the market prematurely, and unnaturally. Micro-steps are less noticeable, but the day will come when we will all wonder how we got here.

I've been accused by several individuals of being an EV fanboy and someone who's been influenced by political propaganda. In reality, I'm a neutral observer who simply sees the potential of where the auto industry could go, while also being aware of the downsides. Ironically, most of the people criticizing me are the ones who've bought into the propaganda being spewed by both sides. Conservatives lie, liberals lie, conservatives generally try to make EVs look bad, and make this transition out to be the worst thing ever. Liberals are the opposite, refusing to acknowledge that EVs have any shortcomings, and claiming we aren't transitioning to EVs soon enough. I'm tired of both sides.

I didn't want this thread to devolve into talking about the flaming pile of goose shit that is both political parties, and the royal clusterF of modern politics. But here we are.

 

[bgn]

There are two main reasons why I don't own an EV:

1. There are no EV trucks that are affordable and have decent range.

2. I have nowhere to charge one because I live in an apartment. I'd have to charge at DC chargers.

I'd love to get into a compact/midsize truck EV in the future. Something with up to 15" of ground clearance off-road like the Rivian would be absolutely insane!

 

[dalola]

There are two main reasons why I don't own an EV:

1. There are no EV trucks that are affordable and have decent range.

2. I have nowhere to charge one because I live in an apartment. I'd have to charge at DC chargers.

I'd love to get into a compact/midsize truck EV in the future. Something with up to 15" of ground clearance off-road like the Rivian would be absolutely insane!

I would buy an EV today if one existed that fit my needs/wants.....unfortunately, it doesn't exist.

 

[dalola]

I've been accused by several individuals of being an EV fanboy and someone who's been influenced by political propaganda. In reality, I'm a neutral observer who simply sees the potential of where the auto industry could go, while also being aware of the downsides. Ironically, most of the people criticizing me are the ones who've bought into the propaganda being spewed by both sides. Conservatives lie, liberals lie, conservatives generally try to make EVs look bad, and make this transition out to be the worst thing ever. Liberals are the opposite, refusing to acknowledge that EVs have any shortcomings, and claiming we aren't transitioning to EVs soon enough. I'm tired of both sides.

I didn't want this thread to devolve into talking about the flaming pile of goose shit that is both political parties, and the royal clusterF of modern politics. But here we are.

It's very difficult to separate the two topics (politics/BEV adoption) because they are tightly intertwined, like it or not.

We should still be able to have a grown up discussion on all aspects of the subject, without personal attacks & threats. (not accusing anyone, just saying...)

In summary, my beef is not with BEV's, the tech, or anything mechanical in nature. It's the way in which it's being pushed & sold. Simple as that, agree or disagree.

 

[Mav_RICK]

So 2035, and we all know that's gonna get pushed back if it passes at all, so realistically, it's gonna be 2040, or 2045 if it happens at all. Even the more conservative projections are indicating we'll see around 30% of the new car market comprised of EVs by the end of the 2020s.

If 30% of car sales are EV by the end of the decade, and growing exponentially as these things tend to do, it's not a stretch to assume most consumers will naturally adopt EVs by the 2040s. Basically all of the criticisms of EVs will have been resolved in 10-15 years time, if not sooner. So any hold outs going into the 2040s won't be basing their decision off of logic, but pride, and political propaganda. There's no sense in trying to appeal to those wack jobs.

In other words, in the time frame we're looking at, not months, not years, but decades, yeah, there's gonna be a lot of natural ev adoption for a plethora of reasons. So again, let's not rely on the political scare tactics some are engaging in with uneducated politicians lying to people, and telling them the government is gonna take their ICE cars overnight. It's clearly going to be a more gradual and natural transition than that.

Anyone who hasn't at least given EVs a chance by the 2040s was never gonna give EVs a chance. That's on them more than it is one automakers or the government.

You say you didn’t want this thread to devolve but I say with posts like this you are your own worst enemy.

 

[OneAlienBoi]

It's very difficult to separate the two topics (politics/BEV adoption) because they are tightly intertwined, like it or not.

We should still be able to have a grown up discussion on all aspects of the subject, without personal attacks & threats. (not accusing anyone, just saying...)

In summary, my beef is not with BEV's, the tech, or anything mechanical in nature. It's the way in which it's being pushed & sold. Simple as that, agree or disagree.

Ok, and again, I see where you're coming from. But is saying, oh in 15-20 years there's a small chance we might ban some ICE vehicles really forcing things onto people? Because I see that as more of a soft push.

Now if they were saying, we're gonna ban all ICE vehicles in a year, that's a promise, everywhere in the world. Then I'd see where you're coming from. But most states are like yeah, maybe, we'll think about doing that. Which basically means no.

 

[OneAlienBoi]

You say you didn’t want this thread to devolve but I say with posts like this you are your own worst enemy.

I'm simply defending my position while laying all my cards on the table to counter the lies being said about me. If people are offended with me saying I'm basically neutral about this whole thing, well that's really on them.

 

[SLINGSHOT]

The one indisputable fact in this whole 14 pages of discussion. Hertz is dumping it's EV rental fleet cars. Nobody wants to rent them. If you can't get people to rent a car, how will you sell it? There will still be buyers for EV's.
There are still buyers for pseudo Chrysler products, so anything is possible.
PT Barnum was as prescient as Nostradamus.

 

[dalola]

Ok, and again, I see where you're coming from. But is saying, oh in 15-20 years there's a small chance we might ban some ICE vehicles really forcing things onto people? Because I see that as more of a soft push.

Now if they were saying, we're gonna ban all ICE vehicles in a year, that's a promise, everywhere in the world. Then I'd see where you're coming from. But most states are like yeah, maybe, we'll think about doing that. Which basically means no.

Anytime an authoritative entity feels compelled to ban anything of scale, that's a big red flag for me. You can rest assured ignorance at the least, and down right evil at the worst, is in play.

Why the need to ban? As I mentioned earlier, in a free market, the creme will rise to the top naturally.

One need only look at some other parts of the world (Europe & Canada, especially) to see the creep of this elitist global agenda that's being pushed in the guise "for the good of all". Sounds a lot like some of the atrocities of the 20th century, and how they were rolled out.

Sorry, NOT interested in this path, no matter how seemingly innocent it might begin.

 

[OneAlienBoi]

Anytime an authoritative entity feels compelled to ban anything of scale, that's a big red flag for me. You can rest assured ignorance at the least, and down right evil at the worst, is in play.

Why the need to ban? As I mentioned earlier, in a free market, the creme will rise to the top naturally.

One need only look at some other parts of the world (Europe & Canada, especially) to see the creep of this elitist global agenda that's being pushed in the guise "for the good of all". Sounds a lot like some of the atrocities of the 20th century, and how they were rolled out.

Sorry, NOT interested in this path, no matter how seemingly innocent it might begin.

I've seen people on the right encouraging a ban on the sale of EVs, especially ones imported from other parts of the world. Both sides are acting a fool right now, and trying to push their agenda. Fuck 'em both. Again, I'm agreeing with you, I hate things being forced on people, but everything is forced on people these days.

 

[dalola]

I've seen people on the right encouraging a ban on the sale of EVs, especially ones imported from other parts of the world. Both sides are acting a fool right now, and trying to push their agenda. Fuck 'em both. Again, I'm agreeing with you, I hate things being forced on people, but everything is forced on people these days.

No shortage of large, complex issues to solve, that's for sure.

But I remain optimistic, and refuse to dismiss the common-man ingenuity & resourcefulness that is the backbone of this great nation.

 

[LSchicago]

This sounds like a chatGPT response. Casual car buyers live in apartment buildings. They don't want BEVs because they can't charge them at home. Even the liberal media admits demand is low for EVs.

Electric companies and unions are in bed with the Dems. That's what this is about. They want to make more money selling chargers then jack up the electric rates once they force the switch. I get these emails everyday. EV Cartel I'll call it.

Fight back with your dollar and vote and if that don't work...

I could charge at home or work. Many free chargers near me too. But I am happy with my Hybrid. No desire for an EV yet. Maybe when I retire in 10 years. Maybe not....

 

[LSchicago]

There are two main reasons why I don't own an EV:

1. There are no EV trucks that are affordable and have decent range.

2. I have nowhere to charge one because I live in an apartment. I'd have to charge at DC chargers.

I'd love to get into a compact/midsize truck EV in the future. Something with up to 15" of ground clearance off-road like the Rivian would be absolutely insane!

There are many free EV chargers I drive by every day. This is a few of them:

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