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Interesting how many people still subscribe to old and outdated information when it comes to ethanol. As long as you have the pump and injectors to handle it, ethanol IS the way. If you don’t know, your knowledge needs to catch up with the rest of the world.

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Interesting how many people still subscribe to old and outdated information when it comes to ethanol. As long as you have the pump and injectors to handle it, ethanol IS the way. If you don’t know, your knowledge needs to catch up with the rest of the world.

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And worst case scenario when you immediately throw a check engine light because your O2 sensor is wondering WTF is going on since E85 needs a totally different A/F than E10 or discover that E85 isn't always 85% ethanol since it won't run worth a crap in the winter and need help from the forum and you're trying to figure out how to install a ethanol sensor in your fuel tank to convert your vehicle to an FFV, you can always just create a new forum username and avoid any "ha ha, told you so" moments. ;)
 

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And worst case scenario when you immediately throw a check engine light because your O2 sensor is wondering WTF is going on since E85 needs a totally different A/F than E10 or discover that E85 isn't always 85% ethanol since it won't run worth a crap in the winter and need help from the forum and you're trying to figure out how to install a ethanol sensor in your fuel tank to convert your vehicle to an FFV, you can always just create a new forum username and avoid any "ha ha, told you so" moments. ;)
Well, Florida. So..
 

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I'm getting the hybrid for the wife, but I'm actually pretty interested in who want's to start modding and tuning out their ecoboost mavericks. I hope you guys get aftermarket support for tuning the ECU and we see people swapping turbos, bolt ons, and alternative fuels like ethanol

Edit: And to be clear this thread is discussing the performance benefits of ethanol and reading the rewards of ethanol to make a lot of power on the turbo engine by tuning.
Given time until enough Mavericks are on the street I'm sure quite a few people will be doing at minimum tunes, bolt-on intake/downpipe/intercooler mods, and maybe even methanol/water injection kits. Assuming there's enough room under the hood for all this stuff. I'm envious, it will be fun to follow the sort of performance improvements possible, as an old guy I hope they're well documented so I can live vicariously through them...

Methanol injection always intrigued me, especially when I saw this on my F150 forum a couple years back...

Meth or methanol is injected into the intake tract through a separate injection system. It can be mixed with water in different ratios, most commonly a 50/50 mix. It lowers your intake temps and increases your octane levels reducing pre detonation or knock in the cylinders. Extra handy for forced induction applications. Mo powa baby! It was used extensively by piston engine fighter planes and has been around for about a hundred years. Works great only downside is if you tune for methanol injection at wot and your tank runs dry or there’s a malfunction you increase the risk of eating a motor. Works great when you can’t get “good” gas. Plus side is it’s cheap to get and the systems aren’t that expensive.
 

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Given time until enough Mavericks are on the street I'm sure quite a few people will be doing at minimum tunes, bolt-on intake/downpipe/intercooler mods, and maybe even methanol/water injection kits. Assuming there's enough room under the hood for all this stuff. I'm envious, it will be fun to follow the sort of performance improvements possible, as an old guy I hope they're well documented so I can live vicariously through them...

Methanol injection always intrigued me, especially when I saw this on my F150 forum a couple years back...

Meth or methanol is injected into the intake tract through a separate injection system. It can be mixed with water in different ratios, most commonly a 50/50 mix. It lowers your intake temps and increases your octane levels reducing pre detonation or knock in the cylinders. Extra handy for forced induction applications. Mo powa baby! It was used extensively by piston engine fighter planes and has been around for about a hundred years. Works great only downside is if you tune for methanol injection at wot and your tank runs dry or there’s a malfunction you increase the risk of eating a motor. Works great when you can’t get “good” gas. Plus side is it’s cheap to get and the systems aren’t that expensive.
Meth injection has several benefits. Great stuff.
 
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And worst case scenario when you immediately throw a check engine light because your O2 sensor is wondering WTF is going on since E85 needs a totally different A/F than E10 or discover that E85 isn't always 85% ethanol since it won't run worth a crap in the winter and need help from the forum and you're trying to figure out how to install a ethanol sensor in your fuel tank to convert your vehicle to an FFV, you can always just create a new forum username and avoid any "ha ha, told you so" moments. ;)
yeah, you know people do this thing called tuning? Its amazing. You can actually scale fuel flow by way of the injectors and fuel density

literally, tens of thousands of people have been doing this across multiple platforms. Most of them using pre-built tunes provided by a vendor.

Your political bias against crop usage for fuel is coming off as willful ignorance when you preach doom and gloom, and that it can't be done.
 
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Given time until enough Mavericks are on the street I'm sure quite a few people will be doing at minimum tunes, bolt-on intake/downpipe/intercooler mods, and maybe even methanol/water injection kits. Assuming there's enough room under the hood for all this stuff. I'm envious, it will be fun to follow the sort of performance improvements possible, as an old guy I hope they're well documented so I can live vicariously through them...

Methanol injection always intrigued me, especially when I saw this on my F150 forum a couple years back...

Meth or methanol is injected into the intake tract through a separate injection system. It can be mixed with water in different ratios, most commonly a 50/50 mix. It lowers your intake temps and increases your octane levels reducing pre detonation or knock in the cylinders. Extra handy for forced induction applications. Mo powa baby! It was used extensively by piston engine fighter planes and has been around for about a hundred years. Works great only downside is if you tune for methanol injection at wot and your tank runs dry or there’s a malfunction you increase the risk of eating a motor. Works great when you can’t get “good” gas. Plus side is it’s cheap to get and the systems aren’t that expensive.
Supplemental meth injection is pretty nice. I've only used it when I didn't live in an area where I couldn't easily get ethanol for factory fueling system. I just found the safeguards of the factory fueling system and logic to be superior. For example a system might not have any safegaurds in if you run out of meth. You may be running high boost, high timing, and you may also pull factory fueling since you're running so much meth. So you run out, and then you could start knocking. Or there's a couple rare instances I've seen where their controller failed and filled a cylinder(s) and hydrolocked on methanol. Rare case, but have seen it happen. So just have to be vigilant.
 
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Hopefully no one! ;)

If a vehicle isn't designed from the ground up to be a high ethanol running vehicle, it means the ethanol can eat through seals, coatings, and can even cause internal engine damage. Ethanol is basically a super solvent.

Ethanol is also just crappy all around, it has a way shorter "shelf life" than regular gasoline as the ethanol slowly starts to come out of suspension and its way more likely to get contaminated by water because ethanol is super hydrophilic even wanting to suck the moisture out of the humid air in a thank that isn't topped off. Pretty much all vehicles that run high levels of ethanol will have shorter life spans, its the latest way to ensure planned obsolescence. But on the plus side, the more ethanol in the fuel the lower your fuel economy will be because its energy density is lower than gasoline... oh wait, that's another negative, heh!

And if Ford finds out you're running more than E15, they'll also invalidate your warranty and blacklist the vehicle. But hey, at least ethanol in our fuel isn't almost entirely made from corn which uses a crazy amount of water and pesticides and fossil fuel to grow... oh wait, it is!

tl;dr: ethanol sucks! boooooooooooooo! (n)
I think ethanol can be GREAT... If produced smartly (i.e., using switchgrass, etc.) rather than to get tax credits for growing corn for stability production by industrialized farming operations. "While corn-based ethanol contains scarcely as much energy as is required to produce it, fuel made from switchgrass, a native prairie plant found in the Great Plains region, contains more than 5 times as much energy than it takes to grow it and refine it into ethanol."
 

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Been running E85 in my Mustang for 4 years with no issues. Just needed an E85 tune. Initially I had a flex tune which allowed both premium, E85 or any mix of the 2. Now that is supercharged it is a dedicated E85 tune, or 93 tune. Just need to pulley Up in size to run Premium. I can only run 10# of boost on Premium. For all out power, E85 is the ticket! Like cheap race fuel. My fuel system was upgraded (Twin 525 pumps, PTFE lines, Hi flow rails and hi flow injectors) to handle 1300HP on E85, and I'm just over 1,000hp so there is plenty of headroom.
 
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It's amazing that 9/10 people who post on this thread don't get what it is all about.
 

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I run E50 from time to time. Best 1/4 mile is in my signature. Dragy, not a time slip.
 

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Some people need to quit regurgitating what the internet said 15 years ago about e85. Ford says not to use it because it isn't tuned for it, but the stock tune can handle e30. 👀
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