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that's a reasonable starting assumption, but the data just doesn't bear it out.

Your driving history has very little to do with whether you have an accident or other loss covered by comp or UI. It presumably has a lot to do with your liability, as reflected in the explanatory pages telling you exactly how much.

My unverified hypothesis is the bit about who files claims, and who just fixes it to avoid the claim.

AFAIK, no place uses history more than 3 years old (except of DUI/reckless?)
well if you are with a particular Ins co for 2 decades they likely have records of you for two decades - a two decade 'no claims/no ticket' should absolutely take precedence over any lower credit score you might have when determining rates. Ins cos that ignore a clean driving record because they guess that well that's because you probably just got it fixed on your own is rather cynical of them on its own and is only used for them to dismiss your seemingly splendid driving record as some kind of fairy tale.
 

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well if you are with a particular Ins co for 2 decades they likely have records of you for two decades - a two decade 'no claims/no ticket' should absolutely take precedence over any lower credit score you might have when determining rates. Ins cos that ignore a clean driving record because they guess that well that's because you probably just got it fixed on your own is rather cynical of them on its own and is only used for them to dismiss your seemingly splendid driving record as some kind of fairy tale.
phew! I had to read that last sentence a few times to figure out what you were trying to say.

insurance rates and how they are determined can and do vary by state but important factors generally are....

  1. driving history
  2. age
  3. primary residence location (urban/rural, crime, etc.)
  4. statistics on how expensive your vehicle is to repair
  5. statistics on how likely your vehicle is to be stolen or damaged
  6. safety/security features on the vehicle
  7. marriage status

I'm sure there could be other things as well. This is strictly business and they are trying to make money. They all take similar types of information and run it through their own proprietary calculations to determine the rates. I wouldn't be surprised if insurance companies are already using AI for this which is likely not a good thing for us.
 

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This is insane lol

I'm in Canada

Use my truck for work

Don't work in the town I live

I pay 121 CAD per month
 

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It can't if you are already on SS at the time. If a judgement against you occurs prior to starting SS they can garnish it for criminal restitution, child support, and personal injury due to negligence. Also if you are retired AS I AM and have a retirement account or other income as I do it will be taken 100%. No I don't sell insurance but I protect what I have earned over 50 years of working.
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Garnishment

Section 459 of the Social Security Act (42 U.S.C. 659) permits Social Security to withhold current and continuing Social Security payments to enforce your legal obligation to pay child support, alimony, or restitution.
Very good terry. I have never litigated a civil judgment. But everyone is an attorney , even the amazon delivery man.
I cannot believe the premiums people pay. Information and education is free on the internet. Automobile liability insurance is easily circumvented in most states. Very commonly done in Nevada, california and Arizona. It's so simple post a surety bond and an umbrella policy. 20 years for me.
 

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Where do you come up with this?Credit score is how responsible you are. I am an attorney with no credit score. Very responsible. Credit is for people that don't have Money not how responsible they are.
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Looks like I’m not the only one that thinks this.
 

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well if you are with a particular Ins co for 2 decades they likely have records of you for two decades - a two decade 'no claims/no ticket' should absolutely take precedence over any lower credit score you might have when determining rates. Ins cos that ignore a clean driving record because they guess that well that's because you probably just got it fixed on your own is rather cynical of them on its own and is only used for them to dismiss your seemingly splendid driving record as some kind of fairy tale.
Here’s the thing: Insurance companies are not in business to protect people’s property, freedoms and personal finances. Insurance companies are in business to make money. And they decided that a viable way of making that money was to provide insurance services. To wit, your insurance isn’t going to reward you with ultra low rates for being a customer for 20 years without making a claim. They are simply going to give you a rate that is competitive with what other companies would charge you if you decided to cancel your current policy. That strategy makes more profit, their primary goal. Their decisions are not driven by altruism.
 

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Ohh yea I run into this alot. I'm a sales rep but I have other family in claims and underwriting. The problem is insurance companies will send out checks knowing very well the person won't fix the damage. When they try to file an other claim they get denied and half the time nonrenwed. Then they try to go get insurance elsewhere and get denied. That history follows you everywhere!
Yep it's amazing how many people do not carry replacement cost riders and then cannot make the deductible portion of the repairs don't do anything so fall into the trap. It's even much worse without the replacement rider. The insurance company pays what's due under policy but cannot tell homeowner when and how to repair/replace. Depends but lots of times the owner never notifies ins company that repairs so he never collects depreciations that he is due. My son recently had a $2.2 million property with a 5% deductible ($110,000). Property only had $92k damage.
 

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Looks like I’m not the only one that thinks this.
Pretty broad generalization. But then people will covet those that are intelligent ,responsible , educated and accumulated wealth. Coming from nothing. To feel satisfaction from their own Lack of accomplishments.
 

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Pretty broad generalization. But then people will covet those that are intelligent ,responsible , educated and accumulated wealth. Coming from nothing. To feel satisfaction from their own Lack of accomplishments.
Exactly. Pretty broad generalizations. That is the whole purpose of actuarial data and risk assessment.

Come to find out, people with a high credit score present a lower insurance risk. Who would have thought?

Not sure what you’re going on about with this talk of coveting people and lack of personal accomplishments.
 
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Many assumptions and simple mindness. When a person has an LLC they have a EIN that is registered to the credit Bureaus.
The EIN is issued by the IRS.

NO I do not have A D-U-N-S number. I have no need to borrow money or have government contracts. A duns # is a business identification issued by Dun & Bradstreet.
So my understanding of your comments are that since I don't have personal Credit . I am at a higher risk. An LLC'c financial performance far outweighs any personal fico score. Education for financial success.
 

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Yep it's amazing how many people do not carry replacement cost riders and then cannot make the deductible portion of the repairs don't do anything so fall into the trap. It's even much worse without the replacement rider. The insurance company pays what's due under policy but cannot tell homeowner when and how to repair/replace. Depends but lots of times the owner never notifies ins company that repairs so he never collects depreciations that he is due. My son recently had a $2.2 million property with a 5% deductible ($110,000). Property only had $92k damage.
These people should not be driving such a new / expensive vehicle period.
 

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Exactly. Pretty broad generalizations. That is the whole purpose of actuarial data and risk assessment.

Come to find out, people with a high credit score present a lower insurance risk. Who would have thought?

Not sure what you’re going on about with this talk of coveting people and lack of personal accomplishments.
I'll help you with this. People that own a business. That has a high score. Definitely trumps An individual with the high score. You're able to manage yourself and a business. Who would have thought.
 

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On the topic of insurance costs, rates vary widely, but I can tell you that my 2025 Maverick Lariat replaced a 2018 Cadillac CT6 PHEV on my policy. The insurance company sent me back a check for a couple hundred dollar refund since the Maverick was cheaper to insure than the Cadillac, Same drivers, same coverage, same deductible.
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