Tire rotation pattern

[LSchicago]

The wider wheels would only fit the front. (W Body with the LS4)

I was talking mavericks here. I wouldn't try to put my Mustang drag radials on the front either.

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[RAIN]

From the manual:

The correct answer.

 

[Senior Master Ford Guy]

If all tires are the same size and not directional, the Ford recommended way of tire rotation is as follows: for all wheel drive/4 wheel drive or rear wheel drive vehicles, the rear tires move to the front(staying on their respective sides), and the fronts cross to the rear. For front wheel drive vehicles it is the opposite: front tires go to the rear (staying on their respective sides), and the rears are crossed to the front.

 

[WJOHNM]

You're kidding, right?

I don't think he kidding I have read the same thing, they say its not necessary BUT I do it anyway, it makes sense to me. Who's that old guy on Utube with the stupid laugh he says its not necessary also.

 

[colinl]

Without saying what I think about Mr. Kilmer and the ideas he puts out there I can say that rotating tires is a must if you want to replace all four at the same time, with the same amount of wear.

This is especially true with a front-wheel drive based vehicle that always wears down the front tires faster than the rears because they handle steering, braking and power traction. The rears are just rolling along.

I rotated my original Continentals on the Maverick at about 15k miles when I saw a significant deal more wear on the fronts. By the time I replaced them all at 30k miles, they were all evenly spent.

Ford dealers have a service offer called 'the Works' which varies in price by market, but for me it's around $55 for synthetic blend and $80 for full synthetic. I get my oil changed with an ecoboost every 5k - 7k miles, so that's about right on tire rotation. AWD models still wear the fronts heavily and will have similar wear issues as FWD models if you don't rotate often.

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• Tire Rotation and Pressure Check
• Brake Inspection
• Vehicle Checkup
• Fluid Top-Off
• Battery Test
• Filter Check
• Belts and Hoses Check

 

[Tim d]

Without saying what I think about Mr. Kilmer and the ideas he puts out there I can say that rotating tires is a must if you want to replace all four at the same time, with the same amount of wear.

This is especially true with a front-wheel drive based vehicle that always wears down the front tires faster than the rears because they handle steering, braking and power traction. The rears are just rolling along.

I rotated my original Continentals on the Maverick at about 15k miles when I saw a significant deal more wear on the fronts. By the time I replaced them all at 30k miles, they were all evenly spent.

The original factory firestones on my 2010 ram have never been rotated and all look evenly worn,but it only has 39,000 miles on it. Sounds like the continental's will not wear as well!

 

[FischAutoTechGarten]

A Corvette and many other musclecars/sportscars comes with different spec front and rear tires. And then if those tires are directional, they can't even be rotated left to right without dismounting and remounting all four tires.

You caught me in a slight exaggeration , but in reality, you still don't rotate them.
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Also, Scotty Kilmer is a hack, and any time you see any reference to him or god forbid a link to his YT channel, the only acceptable response is and then keep scrolling.

Scotty's hands and body are all over the place when he talks... like watching Joe Cocker sing about auto repair...

 

[NJBob]

Well the car must be out of tune.

 

[Aherpa]

What vehicle requires 4 unique tires?

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"Requires' might be harsh, perhaps 'benefit' is a better word.
I had a 1980 RX7 that I put a set of Gatorbacks on. Each corner of the car had it's own unique tire with it's own tread pattern and directional roll, they even had the arrows on the sidewalls.
That setup worked great in road rallys and it seemed glued to the road compared to what came with the car.

 

[Shay]

The original factory firestones on my 2010 ram have never been rotated and all look evenly worn,but it only has 39,000 miles on it. Sounds like the continental's will not wear as well!

Your RAM was not a FWD based vehicle.

 

[Tim d]

Your RAM was not a FWD based vehicle.

Agreed,but by that logic the rears should wear quicker? The weight of the engine is still on the front tires.

 

[Shay]

Agreed,but by that logic the rears should wear quicker? The weight of the engine is still on the front tires.

No. As I explained.......and is common knowledge since the 1970s......FWD vehicles wear the front tires faster......because....... 1)steering, 2)braking and 3)power application - all three are being put to the front tires. The rear tires are along for the ride just like if they were on a trailer. Therefore, the front tires always wear at a faster rate than RWD vehicles which spread the loads around more evenly.

In the case of the AWD Maverick, they still wear much the same as a FWD vehicle as it operates in FWD most of the time unless slippage is occuring and the computer sends power to the rear axle temporarily.

 

[scotty]

I don't care what his podcast says. If you don't rotate tires you WILL have uneven wear. That isn't even debatable. On some cars you will end up replacing a pair significantly sooner without rotation. Many newer cars, especially in the luxury market use a fairly soft tire. Rotation is a cheap way to ensure getting more miles out of the tires. I would be curious what his logic is, but he is wrong either way.

i don't rotate the tires. i just buy two front ones when needed because the back tires look great when its time to buy the two front tires. the back aren't pivoting like the fronts

 

[AutobahnSHO]

i don't rotate the tires. i just buy two front ones when needed because the back tires look great when its time to buy the two front tires. the back aren't pivoting like the fronts

Yeah that's exactly the reason the rest of us rotate tires.......

 

[colinl]

you get sketchy handling in rain, mud and snow when you have tires that have very different wear. you want the front and rear to have as similar of traction and hydroplaning resistance as possible.

skipping rotation on a FWD vehicle and just replacing the fronts 2-3 times before you wear out the rear is a terrible practice.

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