Theory on why the hybrid is now the base model

[FriarPop]

As years go on technology gets cheaper. There was a time an automatic trans was a hefty upcharge. Now a manual is. Ford is now producing this system in house and soon the batteries in house as well. I think we are just seeing hybrid systems become cheaper as they become increasingly more mainstream.

its cheaper up front because its far less capable than the 250hp turbo with 4k towing. Its only perk is slightly improved MPG, but ownership costs will probably be more in the long run when the batteries go bad in 7-10 years.

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[New2AZ]

Reading this drivel made my eyes hurt.

 

[MLowe05]

its cheaper up front because its far less capable than the 250hp turbo with 4k towing. Its only perk is slightly improved MPG, but ownership costs will probably be more in the long run when the batteries go bad in 7-10 years.

1. It’s not a slight improvement.
2. There is no evidence to suggest bad batteries in “7-10” years. The warranty is 8. Ford has been building hybrids for years and there are many, many on the road older than that with no battery issues.

It’s fine to have a preference but let’s not be delusional.

 

[brnpttmn]

its cheaper up front because its far less capable than the 250hp turbo with 4k towing. Its only perk is slightly improved MPG, but ownership costs will probably be more in the long run when the batteries go bad in 7-10 years.

And better highway acceleration.

 

[FriarPop]

1. It’s not a slight improvement.
2. There is no evidence to suggest bad batteries in “7-10” years. The warranty is 8. Ford has been building hybrids for years and there are many, many on the road older than that with no battery issues.

It’s fine to have a preference but let’s not be delusional.

It is only a slight improvement, you only get decent gains in the city for a small amount of time. There is also plenty of evidence of batteries going bad at 8-10 years. Thats why they set the warrenty at 8. I've had one and it went bad right after warrenty ended and it was a $15k repair, the $500 gas savings a year isnt worth it in the long run, hopefully you sell your cars after 6 to 7 years to avoid the issues that happen to All hybrids and batteries over time , especially if you live in a super hot or cold climate.

 

[brnpttmn]

It is only a slight improvement, you only get decent gains in the city for a small amount of time. There is also plenty of evidence of batteries going bad at 8-10 years. Thats why they set the warrenty at 8. I've had one and it went bad right after warrenty ended and it was a $15k repair, the $500 gas savings a year isnt worth it in the long run, hopefully you sell your cars after 6 to 7 years to avoid the issues that happen to All hybrids and batteries over time , especially if you live in a super hot or cold climate.

Lol.
1. By your logic, the ICE powertrain should only last 5-6 years (since the warranty is 5 years)
2. From a fuel and cost standpoint, the HEV Maverick is a considerable savings over the ICE. Over ten years for standard mix of hwy/city driving, you're looking at about $8,000 savings ($67mo) in just gas. Adding in upfront costs ($4K) and opportunity cost (6% interest), you're looking at roughly $18K savings over 10 years.

City %	Hwy %	EB AWD	Hybrid	% diff	MPG diff	$/yr (@15K $5)	$/yr (@10K $4.50)	5 yr est
100​	0​	22​	42​	91%​	20​	$ 1,623	$ 974	$ 6,494
90​	10​	22.7​	41.1​	81%​	18.4​	$ 1,479	$ 887	$ 5,917
80​	20​	23.4​	40.2​	72%​	16.8​	$ 1,339	$ 804	$ 5,358
70​	30​	24.1​	39.3​	63%​	15.2​	$ 1,204	$ 722	$ 4,815
60​	40​	24.8​	38.4​	55%​	13.6​	$ 1,071	$ 643	$ 4,284
55​	45​	25.2​	37.95​	51%​	12.8​	$ 1,006	$ 603	$ 4,023
50​	50​	25.5​	37.5​	47%​	12​	$ 941	$ 565	$ 3,765
40​	60​	26.2​	36.6​	40%​	10.4​	$ 813	$ 488	$ 3,254
30​	70​	26.9​	35.7​	33%​	8.8​	$ 687	$ 412	$ 2,749
20​	80​	27.6​	34.8​	26%​	7.2​	$ 562	$ 337	$ 2,249
10​	90​	28.3​	33.9​	20%​	5.6​	$ 438	$ 263	$ 1,751
0​	100​	29​	33​	14%​	4​	$ 313	$ 188	$ 1,254

3. If the hybrid battery goes bad in 8-10 years, there will be a ton of options to replace it for relatively cheap (and you'd have saved $18K towards the replacement).
4. Hybrids have proven themselves extremely reliable, and many 10+ year old hybrids are still on the road. But do keep on trolling, sir.

 

[MLowe05]

I've had one and it went bad right after warrenty ended and it was a $15k repair,

This argument is really too stupid to try to parse. You said you spent $15,000 on a hybrid battery replacement? That tells me all I need to know about you.

 

[Hoagus]

It is only a slight improvement, you only get decent gains in the city for a small amount of time. There is also plenty of evidence of batteries going bad at 8-10 years. Thats why they set the warrenty at 8. I've had one and it went bad right after warrenty ended and it was a $15k repair, the $500 gas savings a year isnt worth it in the long run, hopefully you sell your cars after 6 to 7 years to avoid the issues that happen to All hybrids and batteries over time , especially if you live in a super hot or cold climate.

Sounds like a huge load of hogwash.

 

[mr mojo risen]

Bumping this thread to see if anyone has heard whether or not the 23 Hybrids will have an AWD option?

 

[FriarPop]

Lol.
1. By your logic, the ICE powertrain should only last 5-6 years (since the warranty is 5 years)
2. From a fuel and cost standpoint, the HEV Maverick is a considerable savings over the ICE. Over ten years for standard mix of hwy/city driving, you're looking at about $8,000 savings ($67mo) in just gas. Adding in upfront costs ($4K) and opportunity cost (6% interest), you're looking at roughly $18K savings over 10 years.

City %	Hwy %	EB AWD	Hybrid	% diff	MPG diff	$/yr (@15K $5)	$/yr (@10K $4.50)	5 yr est
100​	0​	22​	42​	91%​	20​	$ 1,623	$ 974	$ 6,494
90​	10​	22.7​	41.1​	81%​	18.4​	$ 1,479	$ 887	$ 5,917
80​	20​	23.4​	40.2​	72%​	16.8​	$ 1,339	$ 804	$ 5,358
70​	30​	24.1​	39.3​	63%​	15.2​	$ 1,204	$ 722	$ 4,815
60​	40​	24.8​	38.4​	55%​	13.6​	$ 1,071	$ 643	$ 4,284
55​	45​	25.2​	37.95​	51%​	12.8​	$ 1,006	$ 603	$ 4,023
50​	50​	25.5​	37.5​	47%​	12​	$ 941	$ 565	$ 3,765
40​	60​	26.2​	36.6​	40%​	10.4​	$ 813	$ 488	$ 3,254
30​	70​	26.9​	35.7​	33%​	8.8​	$ 687	$ 412	$ 2,749
20​	80​	27.6​	34.8​	26%​	7.2​	$ 562	$ 337	$ 2,249
10​	90​	28.3​	33.9​	20%​	5.6​	$ 438	$ 263	$ 1,751
0​	100​	29​	33​	14%​	4​	$ 313	$ 188	$ 1,254

3. If the hybrid battery goes bad in 8-10 years, there will be a ton of options to replace it for relatively cheap (and you'd have saved $18K towards the replacement).
4. Hybrids have proven themselves extremely reliable, and many 10+ year old hybrids are still on the road. But do keep on trolling, sir.

This math doesnt add up but leave it to hybrid owners to dream about savings 18k when they know it will be a wash at best in the long run. I'll barley be savings $300 a year in my situation with a hybrid with gas at $4, and wont have to worry about expensive repairs in 10 years outside of the ICE, which the hybrid also has, so doubling down on issues when it ages.

 

[WesM]

This math doesnt add up but leave it to hybrid owners to dream about savings 18k when they know it will be a wash at best in the long run. I'll barley be savings $300 a year in my situation with a hybrid with gas at $4, and wont have to worry about expensive repairs in 10 years outside of the ICE, which the hybrid also has, so doubling down on issues when it ages.

Why do you care? Enjoy your 2.0. I bet its fun to drive since it seems like it has a great hp/lb ratio.

Hybrids are easier on fuel than the 2.0, so what? Some folks want efficiency and some want more power. Its great we have options.

As for the battery, its a 2-5k replacement cost. Lots of things on the 2.0 could cost that much to repair. In 10 years check back and we can compare notes on who spent more on their trucks.

 

[brnpttmn]

This math doesnt add up but leave it to hybrid owners to dream about savings 18k when they know it will be a wash at best in the long run. I'll barley be savings $300 a year in my situation with a hybrid with gas at $4, and wont have to worry about expensive repairs in 10 years outside of the ICE, which the hybrid also has, so doubling down on issues when it ages.

Don't think my math adds up, here's a more thorough analysis that shows HEV small SUVs have the lower TCO even when their initial base cost is higher than the ICE equivalent. Now consider the same analysis with about a 20% increase in initial cost for the ICE comp. But please do keep ranting.

 

[KeithVi]

It is only a slight improvement, you only get decent gains in the city for a small amount of time. There is also plenty of evidence of batteries going bad at 8-10 years. Thats why they set the warrenty at 8. I've had one and it went bad right after warrenty ended and it was a $15k repair, the $500 gas savings a year isnt worth it in the long run, hopefully you sell your cars after 6 to 7 years to avoid the issues that happen to All hybrids and batteries over time , especially if you live in a super hot or cold climate.

 

[22Ford XL Basic]

I believe the hybrid is the vehicle for the near future. Where would you be with a full electric vehicle if you ere stranded in traffic on an interstate in bad weather.
I reserved a Maverick hybrid in June 2021 ordered in July 2021 with co pilot 360. It was finally delivered in July 2022. The dealer knowing full well the vehicle as ordered with a fixed net price was worth significantly more profitable to then if they could get me out of the deal took it upon themselves to modify the vehicle making it illegal in my home state. They refused to remove the modification or the charges for it and returned my deposit and payment. So much for the ethics of Ford and their network of dealers.
Can Ford be trusted in follow up service?

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