Question on fire risk recall

[jsus]

Probably because they also have a few other serious underhood fire recalls such as the 1.5L cracked fuel injectors which have something like twice the occurance rate (0.38/1000 units)

Yeah, there are several fire-related recalls from Ford on various models recently... Not a terribly good look, and the more total Ford vehicles catch fire, the more people hear about it, the worse it looks. No matter how rare - a few stories in the media can be damming. Most "fixes" just revolve around trying to get the oil and gas away from potential ignition sources should they escape (i.e. hybrids, 1.5L EB fuel injectors).

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[Hardening2753]

I believe the build problem related to the hybrid engine was corrected early 22. The recall includes vehicles build well after the build problem was idented and correct.

You provided a very complete summary of the problem. However, you did not answer my question. Are hybrids engines built since the spring of 22 more prone to failure than EcoBoost?

The only one that can answer which engine is more reliable is the for engineering team that did the quality control testing for the engines. Every one else is speculating

 

[midcoastme]

I guess what I'd like to know is what parts are those that will be available in October?
If the crankshaft wasn't machined properly, is that what will be replaced? They must have to remove it to check on bearing surface #4.

 

[Hardening2753]

I guess what I'd like to know is what parts are those that will be available in October?
If the crankshaft wasn't machined properly, is that what will be replaced? They must have to remove it to check on bearing surface #4.

I want to know too and what the fix will be

 

[JimParker256]

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It says on mine that the earliest for PARTS TO BE AVAILABLE from supplier will be August... that's 4 months from now.

Must be that "new math" people keep talking about...

You posted on July 1st, and according to my "old school" math, there is only one month between July 1st and August 1st... Of course, if they mean August 31st, that could be considered two months... But four months? To quote Al Borland (Tool Time), "I don't think so, Tim..."

And before you get mad, I'm just yanking your chain. Ford's "parts delays" are getting a bit frustrating...

 

[catshreds]

Must be that "new math" people keep talking about...

You posted on July 1st, and according to my "old school" math, there is only one month between July 1st and August 1st... Of course, if they mean August 31st, that could be considered two months... But four months? To quote Al Borland (Tool Time), "I don't think so, Tim..."

And before you get mad, I'm just yanking your chain. Ford's "parts delays" are getting a bit frustrating...

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[jsus]

Must be that "new math" people keep talking about...

You posted on July 1st, and according to my "old school" math, there is only one month between July 1st and August 1st... Of course, if they mean August 31st, that could be considered two months... But four months? To quote Al Borland (Tool Time), "I don't think so, Tim..."

And before you get mad, I'm just yanking your chain. Ford's "parts delays" are getting a bit frustrating...

Probably meant October which is what my letter says. End of October is 4 months after the end of June...

 

[Bburg]

Probably meant October which is what my letter says. End of October is 4 months after the end of June...

I've had my FE Lariat Hybrid since last Octobr and it only has 2,500 miles. I have noticed it making some noices or clanks but never smelled aything or smoke whatsoever. I did get the recall later about 2 weeks ago. Should I worry? Has anyone else heard any noises on the Hybrid?

 

[Darnon]

I've had my FE Lariat Hybrid since last Octobr and it only has 2,500 miles. I have noticed it making some noices or clanks but never smelled aything or smoke whatsoever. I did get the recall later about 2 weeks ago. Should I worry? Has anyone else heard any noises on the Hybrid?

To my recollection there have been no reports of any members here experiencing this catastrophic engine failure. And I think I've only seen one over on Reddit saying their hybrid required an engine replacement (no details on the severity that predicated it).

 

[Jfrancis]

I have a 2023 hybrid delivered from Mexico in December...it has been recalled. It has 8000 miles and I live 50 miles away from work and family and its all mountain roads! From the reading I have done the front end is really enclosed and can trap fluids and vapors...so I took off that lower plastic/carboard shroud..,lots of places it could hold gas and oil.

 

[Sliphorn]

Not even vaguely concerned about it. Got the notice in the mail the other day and haven't even opened it yet. I'll be due for an oil change in about 2 months; the Dealer can look at it then.

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The dealer can look at it all they want, but Ford has stated there will not be a fix until the fourth quarter of this year. Which to me means we will not see a fix until well into 2024. Speedy they are not.
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[Sliphorn]

I have a 2023 hybrid delivered from Mexico in December...it has been recalled. It has 8000 miles and I live 50 miles away from work and family and its all mountain roads! From the reading I have done the front end is really enclosed and can trap fluids and vapors...so I took off that lower plastic/carboard shroud..,lots of places it could hold gas and oil.

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Do you see all those openings in the under engine guard? Those are the same holes that dealers drilled during the first recall. Yours was done at the factory. Put the damn thing back on, my man! It helps protect the underside from road debris and such.
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[Jfrancis]

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Do you see all those openings in the under engine guard? Those are the same holes that dealers drilled during the first recall. Yours was done at the factory. Put the damn thing back on, my man! It helps protect the underside from road debris and such.
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Thanks for the recommendation!

 

[r8drskullz]

I believe the build problem related to the hybrid engine was corrected early 22. The recall includes vehicles build well after the build problem was idented and correct.

You provided a very complete summary of the problem. However, you did not answer my question. Are hybrids engines built since the spring of 22 more prone to failure than EcoBoost?

I still confused as to what actually causes the problem in the first place that leads to the oil and gas issue

 

[JimParker256]

I still confused as to what actually causes the problem in the first place that leads to the oil and gas issue

In short, it has been reported that an improperly polished crankshaft bearing journal can cause premature wear, which can in turn cause either the crank itself or the piston rod linked to it to fail catastrophically (break), causing large chunks of metal to penetrate the engine case at high velocity. This, in turn, causes oil and other fluids (potentially including gasoline, if a fuel line were to be severed by the flying metal parts) to flow out of the case. Add a source of iginition (any electrical spark) and you could have a fire.

This would NOT be a "minor" sound, or a "minor" loss of power. It is also NOT an easily missed "sign"... It's a clearly obvious "blown engine" that in a non-hybrid vehicle would leave you instantly stranded. The concern is that some people MIGHT ignore the sound of an engine self-destructing 3 feet ahead of them, and continue to drive their hybrid vehicle on electric power only. Ford is saying "Don't do that! Pull over immediately, stop the vehicle safely, and call for help." (All in legalese, of course.

As someone has stated, the engine failure has apparently occurred in 3 Mavericks (world-wide), with a grand total of 23 cases in ALL Ford vehicles using the 2.5L hybrid platform, and there have been no post-engine failure fires reported. But there is a POSSIBILITY of a fire, thus the recall (and all the lawyer-speak).

Note that I do NOT work for Ford, nor am I an expert mechanic. But I've seen plenty of engines blown up in drag racing, NASCAR, USRA, USAC, and even Formula 1 racing. It is definitely a "noticeable" event...

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