Manual fuel door release....

[Chopperbobc]

The fuel door is not fiscally open, not even a crack....

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[Chopperbobc]

The fuel door is not at all.... not even a crack.... when this happens

 

[Glen Baker LLC]

The fuel door is not at all.... not even a crack.... when this happens

Well I guess that takes care of the latch locking mechanism being bad.
I'm now leaning towards scenario #1 you have a leaking fuel tank. The common and obviously leaking point is pretty easy to see.
You may want to take a look underneath with your phone and take a picture. Plz keep us updated.

Old style seal.
Updated blue seal

Good Luck.

 

[MakinDoForNow]

The fuel door is not fiscally open, not even a crack....

Mine is fiscally open every time I insert the pump handle!!!!

 

[Art Vandelay]

Not a fan of this emergency release handle. Anyone with knowledge of its function can just pop open the fuel filler door and do whatever. It really defeats the purpose of having it locked closed in the first place. I tucked mine back behind the wheel well shroud as far as I could. At least it makes it a bit more difficult for someone that's up to no good.

The purpose of the locked fuel door is not to thwart theft. It's locked because Hybrid's have a pressurized fuel system.

 

[Glen Baker LLC]

The purpose of the locked fuel door is not to thwart theft. It's locked because Hybrid's have a pressurized fuel system.

Exactly, the fuel door opens once the tank pressure is released.
You don't want to stick the fuel nozzle into the filler, if the tank is still pressurized. Releasing the fumes and the possibility of some gas droplets spraying from the filler tube.
I guess if somebody really doesn't like having the emergency cord there they could always get a pair of wire cutters and snip it off.

 

[Matso]

I get it thanks but that was not my point.

 

[Art Vandelay]

I get it thanks but that was not my point.

What was your point then? Because you stated twice in post # 13 that you were worried about the release handle being used for someone with bad intentions.

 

[Matso]

That was my point exactly but the replies referred to why the fuel door is designed to lock in the first place. It is a safety feature to protect the operator from accessing the sealed fuel inlet before the system is depressurized. The door itself does not actually seal anything. Okay that's great but a secondary benefit is that it provides at least some additional security that may deter nefarious activity. I'm referring less to the theft of petrol and more to the threat of vandalism. This comes to mind as I was a victim many years back where costly damage to my fuel system caused a major inconvenience in my daily life. A locking gas cap would have gone a long way to prevent that and ever since this is what I have employed. But along comes the capless inlet systems and I naively believed for years that it largely prevented such activity. Nothing could be further from the truth. If you have ever used the plastic fuel filler adapter you know what I'm talking about. So then I get a vehicle with a locking hatch and once again adopt a false sense of security that I may be protected somewhat. But alas, there's a green ripcord right there under the wheel well that pops the door open like a jack-in-the-box. So now I'm thinking, just hide the damn thing. Well, that only goes so far and now I'm looking for a locking fuel plug for the hybrid. I found part # 8U5Z-9C268-B on a search but I can't confirm it's compatible. It's a paranoid-fueled drive I can't seem to satisfy. So there you go, aren't you glad you asked?

 

[Art Vandelay]

That was my point exactly but the replies referred to why the fuel door is designed to lock in the first place. It is a safety feature to protect the operator from accessing the sealed fuel inlet before the system is depressurized. The door itself does not actually seal anything. Okay that's great but a secondary benefit is that it provides at least some additional security that may deter nefarious activity. I'm referring less to the theft of petrol and more to the threat of vandalism. This comes to mind as I was a victim many years back where costly damage to my fuel system caused a major inconvenience in my daily life. A locking gas cap would have gone a long way to prevent that and ever since this is what I have employed. But along comes the capless inlet systems and I naively believed for years that it largely prevented such activity. Nothing could be further from the truth. If you have ever used the plastic fuel filler adapter you know what I'm talking about. So then I get a vehicle with a locking hatch and once again adopt a false sense of security that I may be protected somewhat. But alas, there's a green ripcord right there under the wheel well that pops the door open like a jack-in-the-box. So now I'm thinking, just hide the damn thing. Well, that only goes so far and now I'm looking for a locking fuel plug for the hybrid. I found part # 8U5Z-9C268-B on a search but I can't confirm it's compatible. It's a paranoid-fueled drive I can't seem to satisfy. So there you go, aren't you glad you asked?

There is no reason to have a lock on the gas fill door Ford has already thought of that and has prevention in place.

"Ford’s capless full filler deters gas theft two different ways. With Easy Fuel, a spring-loaded flapper door is held closed by latches that can only be released by a standard-size fuel nozzle. This eliminates the need for a fuel tank screw cap. When the proper nozzle is inserted into the filler neck of the system, the latches release, and the nozzle pushes the spring-loaded flapper door to the open position. When the nozzle is removed, the flapper door automatically is forced closed by the spring."
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/ford-easy-fuel-prevents-gas-theft-36806.html

Also in just about every car you can't just stuff a tube down the filler and siphon gas. Most people don't know that since the 1970's auto manufacturers have added anti siphoning mechanisms in the gas tube to make it near impossible to get a hose down the filler neck and into the tank. I found this out when I had to drop a gas tank on a car I owned several years ago and I tried siphoning the remaining gas out first with no luck.

And believe me thieves aren't going to waste time trying to siphon gas out of your car, they're just going to crawl underneath and puncture the gas tank because that's the fastest way to do it.

 

[HeyBales]

There is no reason to have a lock on the gas fill door Ford has already thought of that and has prevention in place.

"Ford’s capless full filler deters gas theft two different ways. With Easy Fuel, a spring-loaded flapper door is held closed by latches that can only be released by a standard-size fuel nozzle. This eliminates the need for a fuel tank screw cap. When the proper nozzle is inserted into the filler neck of the system, the latches release, and the nozzle pushes the spring-loaded flapper door to the open position. When the nozzle is removed, the flapper door automatically is forced closed by the spring."
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/ford-easy-fuel-prevents-gas-theft-36806.html

Also in just about every car you can't just stuff a tube down the filler and siphon gas. Most people don't know that since the 1970's auto manufacturers have added anti siphoning mechanisms in the gas tube to make it near impossible to get a hose down the filler neck and into the tank. I found this out when I had to drop a gas tank on a car I owned several years ago and I tried siphoning the remaining gas out first with no luck.

And believe me thieves aren't going to waste time trying to siphon gas out of your car, they're just going to crawl underneath and puncture the gas tank because that's the fastest way to do it.

What about the stated concern of something being added to the mix for vandalism?

Even the hybrid closed valve for pressurized tank would allow enough to go down the filler pipe to cause enough problems when that got opened up properly at next fillup.

Of course EB already has that potential.

 

[Glen Baker LLC]

That was my point exactly but the replies referred to why the fuel door is designed to lock in the first place. It is a safety feature to protect the operator from accessing the sealed fuel inlet before the system is depressurized. The door itself does not actually seal anything. Okay that's great but a secondary benefit is that it provides at least some additional security that may deter nefarious activity. I'm referring less to the theft of petrol and more to the threat of vandalism. This comes to mind as I was a victim many years back where costly damage to my fuel system caused a major inconvenience in my daily life. A locking gas cap would have gone a long way to prevent that and ever since this is what I have employed. But along comes the capless inlet systems and I naively believed for years that it largely prevented such activity. Nothing could be further from the truth. If you have ever used the plastic fuel filler adapter you know what I'm talking about. So then I get a vehicle with a locking hatch and once again adopt a false sense of security that I may be protected somewhat. But alas, there's a green ripcord right there under the wheel well that pops the door open like a jack-in-the-box. So now I'm thinking, just hide the damn thing. Well, that only goes so far and now I'm looking for a locking fuel plug for the hybrid. I found part # 8U5Z-9C268-B on a search but I can't confirm it's compatible. It's a paranoid-fueled drive I can't seem to satisfy. So there you go, aren't you glad you asked?

I think "Matso" is referring to

 

[Matso]

Actually reading a post before commenting on it would be helpful.

 

[Chops]

Well I guess that takes care of the latch locking mechanism being bad.
I'm now leaning towards scenario #1 you have a leaking fuel tank. The common and obviously leaking point is pretty easy to see.
You may want to take a look underneath with your phone and take a picture. Plz keep us updated.

Old style seal.
Updated blue seal

Good Luck.

I think the “blue seal” is on 2025+?

My 25 Lobo has the blue seal - visible through the gap in the driver side rear wheel well….will need a flashlight

 

[Glen Baker LLC]

I think the “blue seal” is on 2025+?

My 25 Lobo has the blue seal - visible through the gap in the driver side rear wheel well….will need a flashlight

From what I understand if you were to order a new gas tank from Ford for a hybrid it'll come with the blue seal it's the updated part number. I believe hey bales posted the updated numbers in the previous poster thread

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