Looking for advice - 2025 2.5 Hybrid vs. 2.0 EcoBoost engine

[McSwine]

Not a good combo in what sense? Not trolling, just curious why. I have that combo. The 16 year old in me loves the engine. I'm not a huge fan of the automatic, which has a gazillion gears and makes strange decisions, but I don't hate it or anything.

With regard to the engine, I probably had unreasonable expectations. I thought it would be a larger version of the 1.6 EB I had in my 2015 and 2019 Fiesta ST’s. It ain’t, not even close.

The transmission is pretty much a turd.

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[Phimosis]

Greetings all, I am new to the forum and I was seeking advice about the two engine options for the 2025 Maverick. I am considering purchasing one of the following: a 2024 Maverick XLT with an EcoBoost engine, a 2025 Maverick XLT (or Lariat) with a hybrid engine, or a 2025 Maverick XLT with an EcoBoost engine. I would appreciate any information and guidance that the community could provide on which engine to purchase. I would be doing a lot of city driving and I would also be getting the 4k tow package to tow a single axle trailer that is about 3200 lbs. Thanks.

Hmm. I see quite a few comments touting the hybrid’s great torque, acceleration and 191 hp. Those are all true, if you’re in an unladen truck, starting from a stop light.

The electric motor, because of how it is designed and how the electric components are set up, how the battery is sized, etc., will provide 173 lb/ft of torque at 0 RPM, which is great for getting a load moving. It will provide that constant torque of 173 lb ft up to 900 rpm, at which time the battery management system will limit the total output to 22,500 watts, or 30 hp.

This graph visualizes how this works. From 0 to maybe 20 mph, the electric motor is making “constant torque” of 173 lb/ft. But once it gets up to its power design limit of 22,500 watts (30 hp), it enters into the “constant power” part of the graph and the torque starts falling, while the output remains at a constant 22.5 kW. So once you are at freeway speed, like 65 mph, the electric motor can still add 30 hp to the system, but at that speed the electric motor is spinning something like 5,000 rpm, so the motor is only putting out 30 lb/ft at freeway speeds.

What this means is that the hybrid will feel really strong off of the stop light with 158 lb/ft from the gas engine and 173 lb/ft from the electric motor, for a total of 331 lb/ft. But that will only be available up to 20 mph, before the electric motor’s torque curve starts rapidly falling off. At freeway speeds, when you try to pass, what you’re going to feel is 158 lb/ft from the N/A 2.5 and 30 lb/ft from the electric motor, for a total of 188 lb/ft. All of the sudden it feels weak compared to the ecoboost.

Another consideration is the battery size, of 0.9 kWh. The battery management system is going to prevent fully discharging or overcharging, which can damage the battery. So if you start to climb a mountain pass, while towing a trailer, that battery is only going to be able to give you, say, 0.6 kWh. At a maximum discharge rate of 22,500 watts, 0.6 kWh is only going to last for 96 seconds. That means that if you need assistance from the electric motor for longer than that time, you’ll be out of luck and will be solely relying on the 165 hp and 158 lb/ft coming from the 2.5 gas engine. And that will feel anemic compared to the 250 hp and 278 lb/ft coming from the ecoboost.

The TLDR; is get the hybrid if you’re only going to tow with it once or twice a year, but get the ecoboost if you’re a weekend warrior that is constantly towing your camp trailer and mountain bikes up into the mountains on most weekends.

 

[dochawk]

Keep in mind that 191 HP is the same amount of HP that the early 80s Mustang GTs and Camaros had.

actually, it's 25-30 more.

Add the massive torque at the low end from the electric, and you're way past an early 80s v8!

 

[Waterick]

If you should decide the 2.0 EB is for you, I would then recommend the 2025 as it is now dual injected (both port and direct). Should eliminate the worry of carbon encrusted valves down the road. I know it is pricier but, this and the various upgrades probably make it worth it, assuming you're OK with the new front end and fewer buttons.

 

[OleFordGuy]

Greetings all, I am new to the forum and I was seeking advice about the two engine options for the 2025 Maverick. I am considering purchasing one of the following: a 2024 Maverick XLT with an EcoBoost engine, a 2025 Maverick XLT (or Lariat) with a hybrid engine, or a 2025 Maverick XLT with an EcoBoost engine. I would appreciate any information and guidance that the community could provide on which engine to purchase. I would be doing a lot of city driving and I would also be getting the 4k tow package to tow a single axle trailer that is about 3200 lbs. Thanks.

Well, IMO both powertrains are well establish, solid hardware platforms, each with their own pros and cons. Lots of city driving is the sweet spot for hybrid powertrains. The BUT to consider is Fords current issue with battery & software issues on many of the hybrid powertrains. It's puzzling, some members on this forum have no issues and some are plagued with the issue. It seems from the post/threads the reasons range from low quality under powered batteries, software programming related to keeping the battery charged. In earlier model years there were wiring issues but it seems to have been corrected. It's been going on since the truck was introduced in MY22. Ford has yet to resolved it, though they say a fix should be available sometime in 2025. I can only assume it will continue with the MY25 builds until the update is available. Search this forum for terms such as, dead battery, deep sleep, trickle charger, etc. I say this Not to discourage you from the hybrid, its a great platform and trouble free for some. The ICE platform is not perfect either but its pretty rare to see it have the battery issues. Take some time to research the issues discussed with BOTH and decide what works for your application, needs, likes, lifestyle, etc. IMO there's not a right or wrong answer, again, both are solid hardware platforms. Different people will have different opinions, likes, wants, etc - as in much of everything in life. Good Luck with your decision. Their great little trucks IMO.

 

[710-oil-614]

I didn’t want the complexity of the hybrid or need the higher mpg’s.

What if I told you the hybrid drivetrain is less complex than the 2.0EB and 8F35, would you believe me? Because it's true!

 

[OleFordGuy]

Oh and one other thing I didn't bring up earlier, you mention the xlt trim version your considering. So no idea on your taste, needs for audio system, but there's lots of complaints about the base audio system that is NOT the B&O audio system. I understand the MY25 have moved to Sync 4 so that may or may not cure the complaints of the base system audio which the B&O had much fewer complaints in years past, in previous years the lariat trim had the B&O audio standard, not available on lower trim levels xl & xlt. In you research you may want to check into that. Again, Good Luck in your decisions, you'll love the truck. OH, if your wanting the XL trim, be SURE to order the stand alone trailer hitch option, its only like $100.00 - it will cost you 5-6 times that much to add it later if its not of the factory build. It can be used for more than just pulling a trailer!!!!

 

[710-oil-614]

The Hybrid is largely unchanged for 2025 from previous years, but they bumped the tow rating up from 2k to 4k (if equipped).

I guess a new HF55 transmission with new electric motors is classified as "largely unchanged"

 

[Cherokee]

Hybrid AWD drive train less complex than my AWD Eco 2.0L,
I doubt that.
It's a good system yes I'd buy that, But I would not be able to keep it for the long term.
Replacing the batteries will be real expensive and likely off set a large portion of the fuel savings cost.
Anybody know what the replacement cost of the power batteries are ? labor and all ?
I assume the motors are brushless and should out last the truck.
The 2.5L runs at 13 to 1 compression, well I bet the 2.0 L that runs at 10 to 1 compression will live longer.
Am I right on that point ?

I once did the math on a Prius. The battery pack would have to last a minimum of ten years at 20,000 miles a year to offset the cost of a replacement pack and not loose on the back end.

 

[McSwine]

If I could do it all over again I’d get the lowest spec XL hybrid I could find.

 

[710-oil-614]

Hybrid AWD drive train less complex than my AWD Eco 2.0L,
I doubt that.
It's a good system yes I'd buy that, But I would not be able to keep it for the long term.
Replacing the batteries will be real expensive and likely off set a large portion of the fuel savings cost.
Anybody know what the replacement cost of the power batteries are ? labor and all ?
I assume the motors are brushless and should out last the truck.
The 2.5L runs at 13 to 1 compression, well I bet the 2.0 L that runs at 10 to 1 compression will live longer.
Am I right on that point ?

I once did the math on a Prius. The battery pack would have to last a minimum of ten years at 20,000 miles a year to offset the cost of a replacement pack and not loose on the back end.

There is too much wrong with your post to try and correct.

But back to what I said about the complexity - your 8F35 alone accounts for more moving parts than all of the hybrid components of the HF55 drivetrain. Add the complexity of a forced induction engine over the 2.5L and it isn’t even close.

But you’ve already stated that you’re only going to believe what YOU want to believe so it is how you perceive it.

 

[dalola]

Greetings all, I am new to the forum and I was seeking advice about the two engine options for the 2025 Maverick. I am considering purchasing one of the following: a 2024 Maverick XLT with an EcoBoost engine, a 2025 Maverick XLT (or Lariat) with a hybrid engine, or a 2025 Maverick XLT with an EcoBoost engine. I would appreciate any information and guidance that the community could provide on which engine to purchase. I would be doing a lot of city driving and I would also be getting the 4k tow package to tow a single axle trailer that is about 3200 lbs. Thanks.

You mention a lot of city driving...this would favor the hybrid, if FE is a priority. If you tow on occasion, that would also lend towards the hybrid for FE. However, if FE is not that important to you, and you tow a lot, especially in hills or at elevation, I would favor the EB for that use case. Really depends on where the majority of your miles are, and what you prioritize.

 

[Cherokee]

Ok You have changed my mind. From your stand point and now that I agree.
Is there still a cost benefit if someone keeps the Hybrid through a power battery replacement ?
Mechanical parts wear out and electronic stuff lasts way longer and an extra ten MPG's Is significant.
Lets say I saved what $1,000 a year in fuel cost with the Hybrid. That's $7,000 in seven years.
How much Is a new battery pack ?
I bet it's more than $5,000 ???

710-oil-614,
Show me some numbers ?
Also You said, " The complexity of a forced induction engine over the 2.5L" ok ok, I'd have to replace a turbo at some point against the batteries, and about what I read below,
2.5L at 13:1 compression, 2.0L at 10:1 compression
Would not the higher compression shorten the engine life ?
Turbo motors seem to last as long as non turbo engines or so I thought.
I've driven Tractor Trailer semi's with near a million miles on a single turbo.
Cats, Cummins, Mack's I figured a little turbo in our engines would be near bullet proof.

 

[Cherokee]

" But you’ve already stated that you’re only going to believe what YOU want to believe so it is how you perceive it. "

I said, "Hybrid AWD drive train less complex than my AWD Eco 2.0L,
I doubt that."

It's not what I want to believe, It's an opinion based on my experiences. I have been wrong before.
I did not mean to Upset anyone or piss anyone off.
This is guys talking car stuff, like in a bar over a beer !
This kinda stuff got us to the moon once.

 

[Cherokee]

Phimosis said,
"What this means is that the hybrid will feel really strong off of the stop light with 158 lb/ft from the gas engine and 173 lb/ft from the electric motor, for a total of 331 lb/ft. But that will only be available up to 20 mph, before the electric motor’s torque curve starts rapidly falling off. At freeway speeds, when you try to pass, what you’re going to feel is 158 lb/ft from the N/A 2.5 and 30 lb/ft from the electric motor, for a total of 188 lb/ft. All of the sudden it feels weak compared to the ecoboost.

Another consideration is the battery size, of 0.9 kWh. The battery management system is going to prevent fully discharging or overcharging, which can damage the battery. So if you start to climb a mountain pass, while towing a trailer, that battery is only going to be able to give you, say, 0.6 kWh. At a maximum discharge rate of 22,500 watts, 0.6 kWh is only going to last for 96 seconds. That means that if you need assistance from the electric motor for longer than that time, you’ll be out of luck and will be solely relying on the 165 hp and 158 lb/ft coming from the 2.5 gas engine. And that will feel anemic compared to the 250 hp and 278 lb/ft coming from the ecoboost."

Based on that statement alone I'm glad I picked the Eco 2.0L

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