Just a thought on the auto-hold brake feature

[KenE]

This and the hill hold feature seen on so many vehicles today seem to be neccessatated by the way most transmissions used now will allow the vehicle to roll back if the brakes are released. It did not used to be that way with automatics. Their tendancy to creep forward prevented that in most cases. I still pride myself after all these years of being able to handle a manual transmission on the steepest of hills. Currently still own three manual equipped cars, one of which I drive as much as the Maverick.

Funny how things change over time. Nine years ago when my now 25 year old Grandson turned 16, I intended to give him my 1972 powder blue VW bug. But he didn't want it, stick Shift, etc; He eventually bought a Mustang V8, automatic transmission. Last year he sold it because he changed his mind & wanted a different Mustang with a MANUAL transmission. He learned to shift & still drives it. Lol!

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[Dad]

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Tom,
There is this 23 XLT

Thank you, Glen!

 

[TedTX]

Well that was scary.... email from my late Dad..... msg sent to my phone. And it was just this tread...

 

[Maverick Teacher]

I still don't know if the brake light light is on when stopped with auto hold. I will have a friend check it with me one of these days. Works fine but I still don't trust it completely ha ha

 

[Glen Baker LLC]

I still don't know if the brake light light is on when stopped with auto hold. I will have a friend check it with me one of these days. Works fine but I still don't trust it completely ha ha

With the auto hold engaged. The brake light stays illuminated just as if you had your foot on the brake pedal.

 

[Timothyd]

I saw posts recently about how the brake hold feature is just for lazy/distracted driving. I don't disagree, but did notice something that may help explain why it exists.

With the hybrid coach on, I can see that more electricity is used while stopped if I leave my foot on the pedal, likely because the electric version of a brake booster is working harder. The auto hold feature is probably a way to save battery at long stops. Likely not a big difference if having control over the brakes matters to you (I certainly don't blame that thinking).

With foot on pedal:

With auto hold only:

Well then just give me the manual parking brake lever. No doubt, no mess, no sensors, no software, no fail, much better feel.

 

[Cherokee]

If Ford would just give us a little larger HV Battery, then we wouldn't have to go to extremes of feathering the brake or using auto hold to preserve our charge!!

Up goes the hybrid price by thousands
I would think.

 

[Cherokee]

1. Bring your vehicle to a complete stop. The auto hold active indicator illuminates in the information display.

1. Release the brake pedal. The system holds your vehicle at a standstill. The auto hold active indicator remains illuminated in the information display.

1. Apply the accelerator and drive off in a normal manner. The system releases the brakes and the auto hold active indicator switches off.

Note: The system only activates if you apply enough brake pressure on the brake pedal to bring the vehicle to a standstill.

Anybody remember old school hill hold ?
Left foot on the brake pedal right foot on the gas, manual hill hold.

Anybody remember hill holding in a standard shift ?
Left foot holding the clutch down,
Right foot heel on the gas and toes on the brake pedal or gas, clutch, hand brake ?

This is my first hill hold vehicle. I’m in the mountains. I have used it, now and then.

It’s annoying when I’m on level ground and want to scoot forward a car length and coast ten feet. I have to tap the gas or wait.

Back in the day we had skills that I think are lost now days.
Wait til auto drive is perfected and approve.
We will lose more skills.
I don’t like sound of that but I’m getting older, I may need it.

Would a light touch on the brakes in the hybrid use any less electricity ?
I definitely see the advantage of the hill hold.

 

[Hot Runr Guy]

Anybody remember hill holding in a standard shift ?
Left foot holding the clutch down,
Right foot heel on the gas and toes on the brake pedal or gas, clutch, hand brake ?
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What, no Hurst Roll Control?

HRG

 

[MakinDoForNow]

Well then just give me the manual parking brake lever. No doubt, no mess, no sensors, no software, no fail, much better feel.

Wow a lever for an electric brake. That would add an electric motor to set the brake lever so it could be released, I suppose.

 

[HeyBales]

Anybody remember old school hill hold ?
Left foot on the brake pedal right foot on the gas, manual hill hold.

Anybody remember hill holding in a standard shift ?
Left foot holding the clutch down,
Right foot heel on the gas and toes on the brake pedal or gas, clutch, hand brake ?

This is my first hill hold vehicle. I’m in the mountains. I have used it, now and then.

It’s annoying when I’m on level ground and want to scoot forward a car length and coast ten feet. I have to tap the gas or wait.

Back in the day we had skills that I think are lost now days.
Wait til auto drive is perfected and approve.
We will lose more skills.
I don’t like sound of that but I’m getting older, I may need it.

Would a light touch on the brakes in the hybrid use any less electricity ?
I definitely see the advantage of the hill hold.

Never had hills that steep - just enough to ruin the clutch trying to balance release and gas push.
That I could do. Infrequently.

I do appreciate the Hill Start Assist.
I've tested on several hills when safe, if I don't hit the Go pedal, I can get decent rollback.

I don't use the Auto Hold, tried a few times - too much pedal press for release than I'd like, though I'm sure I'd get use to it. Just don't have the situations where it would be of benefit to me.
I do normally apply less pressure than that system does, but no brake creep or problem yet.

 

[Ryom]

It seems to me that using auto hold keeps it "loose" without much brake press required to disengage. When I'm in a Ford vehicle that hasn't had it enabled it seems like it takes significantly more pressure to disengage once activated.

 

[maggie06]

I don't completely trust mine since I've never had that feature on a vehicle before.
I hover my foot over the brake pedal while it's on if there's a car in front of me ha ha

I only do that if someone walks in front of my truck, don't want that conversation if it fails at the wrong time

 

[Prickly Pear]

Anybody remember old school hill hold ?
Left foot on the brake pedal right foot on the gas, manual hill hold.

Anybody remember hill holding in a standard shift ?
Left foot holding the clutch down,
Right foot heel on the gas and toes on the brake pedal or gas, clutch, hand brake ?

This is my first hill hold vehicle. I’m in the mountains. I have used it, now and then.

It’s annoying when I’m on level ground and want to scoot forward a car length and coast ten feet. I have to tap the gas or wait.

Back in the day we had skills that I think are lost now days.
Wait til auto drive is perfected and approve.
We will lose more skills.
I don’t like sound of that but I’m getting older, I may need it.

Would a light touch on the brakes in the hybrid use any less electricity ?
I definitely see the advantage of the hill hold.

Some of my old stick shift cars required me to use my left foot on the clutch, right toes on the brake, and right heel to goose the gas to keep the car from dying at an intersection

 

[KenE]

Some of my old stick shift cars required me to use my left foot on the clutch, right toes on the brake, and right heel to goose the gas to keep the car from dying at an intersection

Such memories, clutch, brake, feathering gas simultaneously to keep old Bessy running. Then my buddy turning the AM radio volume too loud while I'm trying to listen to the engine running. Those old "3 on the tree", stick shift carburetor cars were a far cry from our modern vehicles.

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