F-150 Lightning EV Canceled. EREV Hybrid Lightning Replacement Announced

[Glen Baker LLC]

Surprised anyone did not mention the RamCharger, which is an EREV. Of course it has been a long time in coming and still not here. Hope ford can execute better than RAM on the concept.

Maybe Stellantis saw Ford's Lighting folly and decided to put their BEV RamREV on the back burner.
Pushing the Ram 1500 Ramcharger EREV.

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[Kenv24]

Thinking about the engineering decisions they've made.

Battery big enough for how much range not towing?
Or entire system built for max towing load - up a hill?
Meaning the ICE can supply the battery enough not be be a slowly draining situation.

If not and you do need more power.
To get rid of the bottle neck of generator to battery, and then battery to motor - will they allow ICE directly to motor (via DCDC thingy) if needed for extra power and get the ICE rev'd up past the sweet zone?

Be interesting to see if truly built for the truck folks that really need that size/power, or built more for the truck folks that mainly just want to be in a big truck.

NO....it will be for people that want to get more range pulling bigger campers and trailers...that say a Maverick can't........without getting stranded (Lighting fear) Not just because they want to be in a big truck.

 

[HeyBales]

The generator is ONLY for charging the battery.

Yes - that's the purpose.

But as it's been shown with hybrids - the ICE can supply power to the motors too without going thru the battery.

I didn't say to power the wheels directly.

ETA: Like this.
https://www.ramtrucks.com/electric/1500-rev.html

The 3.6L Pentastar® V6 engine generates mechanical power, which is converted to electrical power by the onboard generator for maximum efficiency. The generator can also increase the power to the motor and gearbox when serious power is needed.

 

[HeyBales]

NO....it will be for people that want to get more range pulling bigger campers and trailers...that say a Maverick can't........without getting stranded (Lighting fear) Not just because they want to be in a big truck.

Then I'll be curious to see the full specs.

It should therefore be able to pull it's max load capacity on some sort of incline at some speed and not slowly lose battery power.

I'm picturing the Colorado guys on their uphill challenge, that type of situation.

 

[LSchicago]

Hopefully they mount the generator under the rear seats and keep the front trunk. A full-size, 4-door electric truck with a big bed, a range extender in the back somewhere and a front trunk is truly the end game of versatility and flexibility.

An open bed for hauling, but then a sealed front trunk for more sensitive things would be the best.

Under the rear seat is where the HV battery goes. It would not be easy to service the engine there, and would be noisy in the cab. I'll take under seat storage and range extender engine under the hood everytime.

One of the lowest profile boxer engines is in the Porsche Boxter. It is 24.5" tall. Definitely not fitting under the back seat. And doing so (if it would magically fit) would cut the battery size in half.

 

[Cherokee]

If nothing else, it's always interesting to contrast the opinions of EV owners vs. not-EV owners. Seems like this is targeting the BYD Shark, whether it makes sense to or not.

BYD Shark ?
Whu tu fu izzat?

I knew this was coming as soon as the first picture surfaced of a dead F-150 Lightening sitting on the side of the road with a portable gas generator in the bed hard at work charging it up.

I think it’s a great idea !
Ford Sits on the cutting edge and I love it.
They make one a Maverick size and I may bite.
EV work trucks need big ass batteries.
Remember, we get recalls because we are Fords test pilots :XD

 

[710-oil-614]

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He's the ADMIN. He can post anywhere he feels like it.

It’s in the vs. competition forum. It has proper placement

 

[710-oil-614]

I bought the hybrid for efficiency but also because it is a simpler, more robust drivetrain than the 8F35 and 2.0EB.

It’s also seamless and linear in power delivery.

 

[BigClydeLittleTruck]

NO....it will be for people that want to get more range pulling bigger campers and trailers...that say a Maverick can't........without getting stranded (Lighting fear) Not just because they want to be in a big truck.

I suspect the truck market in the US is bifurcated along the two lines of those doing towing/hauling and those who just want to be in a big truck. These may nearly be two distinct markets. I know in my area there are a boatload of big trucks running around and not a one of them is towing or hauling anything.

 

[commadorebob]

Dumb question of the day - What is "EREV"? I'm getting the EV part is Electric Vehicle, but the ER is something new. Article doesn't define the acronym.

Not a dumb question. Fortunately, others answered before I got back online. The term EV is fairly clear, but there are several different approaches. Which is why we have more acronyms. Here's a breakdown....

BEV = Battery Electric Vehicle (Tesla, Lightning, Mach-E)
All electric drivetrain. Have to plug in to charge. While battery and charging tech is improving, range anxiety (and early adopter tax) has prevented many people from adopting. Perfect if you never travel that far from home or don't really mind the charging time, which most people won't because it'll usually charge in the amount of time it takes to stretch your legs every few hours.

EREV = Extended Range Electric Vehicle (incoming Lightning, RAMCharger, etc.)
All electric drivetrain. Basically, the same thing as a BEV with a slightly smaller battery and small generator attached. Can plug in to charge like a BEV but generator extends range for as long as you have gas. On paper, the generator is strong enough to provide power directly to the electric motors will also charging battery. Benefit of BEV with extended range of ICE. This will likely be the sweet spot for most consumers. This will be what my wife and I get as 90% of our driving is well within the range of an EV but we do travel that other 10% and would prefer the extended range gas provides.

PHEV = Plug-In Hybrid Electric Vehicle (Pretty much any model that ends in 'PHEV')
Hybrid drive train that connects to both electric motor and ICE engine. Battery powers transmission until it runs low and then gas engine takes over. Larger battery than a standard hybrid. Can plug in to charge, but will also use the gas engine to charge and pretty much exclusively use ICE engine for any extended trips. This makes sense if you deal with a ton of stop-and-go traffic.

HEV = Hybrid Electric Vehicle (90% of what Toyota makes, Maverick, Escape, etc.)
Hybrid drive train that connects to both electric motor and ICE engine (same as PHEV). Small battery that is only charged by engine. Great if you deal with a lot of stop-an-go traffic. Not going to see a ton of benefit if you mostly drive interstate.

ICE = Internal Combustion Engine (Everything not above)
Ye olde gas (or diesel) engine. Unlimited range as long as you have gas but not extremely efficient given the amount of gas used to just keep engine running when not moving.

 

[Mavster Mechanic]

I'm not saying they weren't popular 15 years ago. I meant that in recent years, they've caught on even more. Every year, I see more and more RAV4 hybrids, CR-V hybrids, Camry hybrids, Hyundai Tuscon Hybrids, you name it. There was a point where there was not a whole lot to go around. It was usually from either Toyota or Honda. Now, companies like Kia, Hyundai, Jeep, Ford and Nissan have jumped on the bandwagon.

Ford came out with hybrids in late 2004 as MY 2005. And co-branded Mercury hybrids in 2006.

 

[Mavster Mechanic]

Then I'll be curious to see the full specs.

It should therefore be able to pull it's max load capacity on some sort of incline at some speed and not slowly lose battery power.

I'm picturing the Colorado guys on their uphill challenge, that type of situation.

I don't think that's the design intent. No.

Design intent is to have a SMALLER undersized ICE and a large enough battery to do the peak pulling.

Battery for peak loads.
ICE for average loads.

50 horsepower ICE something like that.

 

[phoneguyinpgh]

I think this is a much better option than the current HEV & PHEV. These are considered parallel Hybrids where the electric motors work in parallel with the ICE and can function also as generators. But they must have some form of mechanical transmission to send power to the rest of the drivetrain. You get a decent amount of loss in that configuration. EREVs and diesel locomotive are SERIES hybrids. The wheels are always driven by electric motors and the power comes from an ICE connected to a generator and/or battery pack. This has the advantage of removing the mechanical losses in the drivetrain as well as allowing the ICE and generator to be designed & tuned to each other to run in their efficiency bands and get the most from both and still get regenerative braking from the traction motors. I can see a future evolution where the ICE will be a small turbine engine that can run on multiple different fuels possibly even off CNG or compressed hydrogen that could be manufactured locally at the fueling station by cracking water, venting the O2 and storing the H2 for fuel.

 

[cavemold]

The Ranger still going be a ev right ? The hybrid f150 is better idea overall the lighting didn’t have enough range as ev

 

[chilicharger]

Under the rear seat is where the HV battery goes. It would not be easy to service the engine there, and would be noisy in the cab. I'll take under seat storage and range extender engine under the hood everytime.

I will take the opposite. A sealed trunk up front along with the open truck bed for hauling is the best compromise possible. You could simply remove the rear seats to service the generator. I don't care about the supposed "noise" in the cab, since it obviously won't be running all the time. Also, a truck frame allows plenty of space out back, under the bed, for a big battery. That would also be much better for weight distribution. Trucks are normally very light in the back and that isn't ideal.

This EREV powertrain would also be absolutely perfect for towing and trailer camping. If you don't have an RV hookup handy, the truck can power your trailer. That is what really excites me.

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