Auto start/stop article

[Quest]

When was the last time you replaced a starter on a vehicle under 100k miles or 10 years? The last starter I replaced was on a 92 Ranger in 2007!

I worked at a Dealer & we replaced lots, most just out of warranty but a fair share in warranty
Check the price of an AGM 760 battery, no way you save that much in fuel

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[zen_]

People come up with all kinds of scare tactics concerning the start/stop technology. But in practical terms it causes no problems. It is aggravating. That's all. Everything else is unfounded fear tactics. This article pretty much lets people know that the vehicles with this technology are specially equipped for it. And the start stop we're not even operate under conditions that will cause extra wear. I can tell you that the engines last just as long. We may replace a few more starters. But in reality a lot of conventional vehicles of riding around with weak starters. But the owners don't really notice. So I don't know if the starters are wearing out faster or if the auto start stop it's just exposing it. Again, the only practical problem is just aggravation at the engines shutting down at stop lights. And even then, a person can override it with the press of the button that takes a half second. But they seem to act like it's killing them to press that button. I don't understand

It definitely cost more to implement with a heavier duty starter and battery. Although I consider myself an environmentalist, I think we need to step back a bit and consider many of the measures taken chasing diminishing returns on MPGs that have made vehicles less reliable with shorter usable lifespans before they are mechanically totaled / non-repairable. Circa 1985-2010'ish we made a quantum leap in efficiency replacing carburetors with port EFI and reliable variable valve timing, plus catalytic converters to reduce emissions. Things have been going downhill since.

The federal government really needs to evaluate what is driving up cost + reducing reliability of ICE only vehicles, and weigh incentives (small ones) for hybrids and full BEVs for folks that want those. There has to be some sort of common sense balanced approach for transportation that is reliable and doesn't ruin the environment.

 

[MavStangVa]

I worked at a Dealer & we replaced lots, most just out of warranty but a fair share in warranty
Check the price of an AGM 760 battery, no way you save that much in fuel

Not arguing the efficiency of it. I simply asked the last starter you replaced. So i will rephrase it. The last time you replaced a starter on YOUR personal vehicle, not a customer's, that wa under 10 years old or 100k miles? Starters hold up much better than they did even 25 years ago. the battery? Just bought 1 last spring for a car they ALL go bad with the electronics in the last 15 years.

 

[TXNM]

No way you're going to save enough gas with ASS to pay for the replacement of "a few more starters", not to mention more batteries, over the vehicle's life. Glad that mandate is now gone!

 

[F100Lobo]

The auto manufacturers have to respect strict emission standards.
The A.S.S. helps them achieve the limits.

 

[Carlitos_92]

No way you're going to save enough gas with ASS to pay for the replacement of "a few more starters", not to mention more batteries, over the vehicle's life. Glad that mandate is now gone!

Just how long do you think the rest of your cheap Mexican-made vehicle is going to last? The starter is the least of your worries.

 

[Quest]

Compared to the Explorer built in Chicago, Maverick is a winner

 

[Fcnrwy]

Just how long do you think the rest of your cheap Mexican-made vehicle is going to last? The starter is the least of your worries.

The Statement of a Car's Quality, related to Where it's built. Is pretty much "dated" these days.
About 60+% of a Car is "Robot-Assembled" nowadays.
It's less on the "Personnel" used in the assembly.
And more on the "Quality" of the parts that are installed...

Jerry

 

[Glen Baker LLC]

The Statement of a Car's Quality, related to Where it's built. Is pretty much "dated" these days.
About 60+% of a Car is "Robot-Assembled" nowadays.
It's less on the "Personnel" used in the assembly.
And more on the "Quality" of the parts that are installed...

Jerry

And we all know. The lowest price bidder wins.

 

[Fcnrwy]

Apples and oranges. Auto start/stop has only been mandatory on new vehicles since 2012. Your 92 ranger didn’t have auto start/stop.

My 1985, 1994 and 2008 Rangers did not have that option either...

Jerry

 

[Busa789]

Apples and oranges. Auto start/stop has only been mandatory on new vehicles since 2012. Your 92 ranger didn’t have auto start/stop.

It hasn't been mandatory, but legislatively encouraged.

Trump administration moves to end "universally hated" start/stop feature for cars - CBS News

 

[MavStangVa]

Apples and oranges. Auto start/stop has only been mandatory on new vehicles since 2012. Your 92 ranger didn’t have auto start/stop.

Not an answer to the question. Sorry you lost on Jeopardy but we have lovely parting gifts
Yet you point out I have NOT had to replace a starter on the 4 vehicles I have had that has the feature. As a matter of fact the 2014 F150 I had is now owned by a family member and still has the same starter, and the battery is the motor craft I had installed in 2019 when the original died. But I turned the ASS off as I do now. Not because of battery or starter issues simply because I don't like it. But until someone gives me evidence that Maverick starters are dying from it I will continue to ask for proof.

 

[MavStangVa]

My 1985, 1994 and 2008 Rangers did not that option either...

Jerry

Ever replace the battery or starter?

 

[Darryl]

Pressing the button is not necessary.
Simply release a little pressure on the brake pedal and it will restart

I'm speaking of disabling it for the entire drive cycle for those who don't want their vehicle to shut off at all. Just start the vehicle, press the override button, and it's disabled until you start the car again. Less than 1/2: second of their time. A lot of people do it by reflex.

 

[Darryl]

Friend of mines bother purchased a new Jeep suv, not sure which model. This was two years ago. Message pops up on his screen REPLACE STARTER Past its life. He said it had about 35 K miles on it. His has stop start . So it looks to me this does in fact wear out the starter much faster. My guess this message is programmed in after so many starts . Not to mention the extra wear on the battery which is obvious it will cause. Since the amount t of savings in gas is so little WHY risks it.

I've never seen this on ANY vehicle. Besides, starters are part of the 3/36; bumper to bumper warranty. There's no way they'd have the starter replaced DURING the warranty. I suspect that there may have been an actual problem with the starter or battery. I'm a technician at a Ford dealership. We also had close ties with a Chrysler dealership. Starters are NOT a maintenance item. We replace some starters (always did). But the implementation of start -stop technology has NOT led to a huge increase in starter failure. Perhaps a SLIGHT increase if any. And if a person hates that feature, just press the override button. It takes 1/2 second. It's not the big deal people are making it out to be. I'm not a fan of it. But it's not something to stress over.

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