Auto start/stop article

[HeyBales]

I've never seen this on ANY vehicle. Besides, starters are part of the 3/36; bumper to bumper warranty. There's no way they'd have the starter replaced DURING the warranty. I suspect that there may have been an actual problem with the starter or battery. I'm a technician at a Ford dealership. We also had close ties with a Chrysler dealership. Starters are NOT a maintenance item. We replace some starters (always did). But the implementation of start -stop technology has NOT led to a huge increase in starter failure. Perhaps a SLIGHT increase if any. And if a person hates that feature, just press the override button. It takes 1/2 second. It's not the big deal people are making it out to be. I'm not a fan of it. But it's not something to stress over.

Toyota starters on AS/S systems also track and alert.

From what I recall of the Car Care Nut discussion - it might get a bit worse than just a screen notice.
Now they spent a lot of money developing a whole new set of systems to deal with it.

I've always been curious if Ford did something special with AC system during off times like they did.

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[Ranch]

Has anyone here had to replace the starter on their Maverick yet?

 

[Ryom]

My guess is that ASS on at startup is (or was) a requirement of the Fed's?

Per wikipedia:

The US Environmental Protection Agency offers gas mileage rating incentives to car manufacturers who ensure their auto stop-start systems default to the "on" position[citation needed]. If the system is "non-latching" (i.e., it does not stay off after the car is switched off), the EPA only calculates fuel economy figures when the system is engaged. If the car manufacturer allows the system to be permanently disabled, then the EPA tests the fuel economy with the system both on and off, then averages the two fuel economy figures. Since that average will always be lower than the economy with the system engaged, car manufacturers choose to switch it back on when the vehicle is restarted,[55] which some operators find inconvenient.[56]

 

[Darryl]

Toyota starters on AS/S systems also track and alert.

From what I recall of the Car Care Nut discussion - it might get a bit worse than just a screen notice.
Now they spent a lot of money developing a whole new set of systems to deal with it.

I've always been curious if Ford did something special with AC system during off times like they did.

If the AC is on Max or the interior temp has not cooled down, the auto stop -start is temporarily disabled. If you set the message center to display the status, it will show -disabled due to climate control - or something to that effect. If you have your steering wheel turned such as when sitting in an intersection waiting to make a left turn, it's disabled due to steering. There are other things that temporarily disable it such as a low battery, engine too hot or too cold etc. Also even if you're sitting at a light with the AC on normal, the engine will restart before the air starts blowing warm. Yes. You will feel the air become not quite as cool. But the engine will restart before it gets uncomfortable. Companies have been using this technology for YEARS. And aside from aggravation of the stopping and starting itself, it's not causing many extra expenses . Most of the horror stories are of the "I heard" variety.

 

[Darryl]

If the AC is on Max or the interior temp has not cooled down, the auto stop -start is temporarily disabled. If you set the message center to display the status, it will show -disabled due to climate control - or something to that effect. If you have your steering wheel turned such as when sitting in an intersection waiting to make a left turn, it's disabled due to steering. There are other things that temporarily disable it such as a low battery, engine too hot or too cold etc. Also even if you're sitting at a light with the AC on normal, the engine will restart before the air starts blowing warm. Yes. You will feel the air become not quite as cool. But the engine will restart before it gets uncomfortable. Companies have been using this technology for YEARS. And aside from aggravation of the stopping and starting itself, it's not causing many extra expenses . Most of the horror stories are of the "I heard" variety.

Also, when there's a problem with the system, it's disabled. Many who hate the system simply choose not to fix it. On the other hand, it's often an early indicator of other problems. Often a person will notice that the start stop system isn't working. They'll bring it in and discover that something else is brewing. But the stop start feature was simply an early indicator

 

[Darryl]

I didn’t know it also put extra strain on motor mounts.
I saw no mention of the effects of depriving a high speed Turbo of oil pressure.

I wonder why they even gave us a disable button if that’s true.

The strain on engine mounts is theoretical. We're not seeing any more engine mount failures than before. At least not on Fords. In my observation, the ONLY REAL problem with this feature is that it's aggravating. And there MAY be marginally more starters getting replaced. But I'm not really sure about that. The disable button is to allow those that can't tolerate it to shut it off with a 1/2 second press of a button. But the button is too great of a challenge for some

 

[Cherokee]

The disable button is to allow those that can't tolerate it to shut it off with a 1/2 second press of a button.
But the button is too great of a challenge for some

Hahahahahahaha !

I Should be allowed to 'button' if off one time and never see it again. Unless I swap my AGM out.

 

[Fcnrwy]

Jerry

 

[HeyBales]

If the AC is on Max or the interior temp has not cooled down, the auto stop -start is temporarily disabled. If you set the message center to display the status, it will show -disabled due to climate control - or something to that effect. If you have your steering wheel turned such as when sitting in an intersection waiting to make a left turn, it's disabled due to steering. There are other things that temporarily disable it such as a low battery, engine too hot or too cold etc. Also even if you're sitting at a light with the AC on normal, the engine will restart before the air starts blowing warm. Yes. You will feel the air become not quite as cool. But the engine will restart before it gets uncomfortable. Companies have been using this technology for YEARS. And aside from aggravation of the stopping and starting itself, it's not causing many extra expenses . Most of the horror stories are of the "I heard" variety.

My comment about Toyota was the extra expense designing the special systems for dealing with the fact the ICE is off, and for heat/AC and tranny.

And that does mean there are more break points - there has to be.

I was curious how Ford handled AC - the manual shares all the reasons why it won't be enabled - extreme temps was in there.
But I wondered if they did anything close to everything Toyota did, on any of the Ford models using it.
Maverick I could easily see NOT getting extra systems for a more budget truck, compared to other Ford models.
Or perhaps none of the models get some of these things.

 

[Darryl]

My comment about Toyota was the extra expense designing the special systems for dealing with the fact the ICE is off, and for heat/AC and tranny.

And that does mean there are more break points - there has to be.

I was curious how Ford handled AC - the manual shares all the reasons why it won't be enabled - extreme temps was in there.
But I wondered if they did anything close to everything Toyota did, on any of the Ford models using it.
Maverick I could easily see NOT getting extra systems for a more budget truck, compared to other Ford models.
Or perhaps none of the models get some of these things.

I don't know about Toyota. But we get them in as trade instead or to sell as used cars pretty often, some with pretty high mileage. Some have various issues. But I can't remember any with problems with the stop start system. It would be interesting to see the ACTUAL problem rate. We know there are plenty of POTENTIAL failure points just like there are more Potential hybrid failure points. But they're just as or slightly more reliable long term as the conventional power plant. Again, it would be interesting to see the actual failure rate. I wouldn't be surprised if it was high. Nor would I be surprised if it was extremely low. .

 

[Carlitos_92]

But the button is too great of a challenge for some

You keep throwing this out, but as I have said time and time again, it's not just "one button."

It's that button, then it's acknowledging seat belts, then it's changing to the drive mode I want...
I appreciate that Ford provides a driver-selectable button, and I understand why the A/S/S reverts to "on" every trip - but getting moving in my pickup should not be like going to the moon.

 

[Fcnrwy]

You keep throwing this out, but as I have said time and time again, it's not just "one button."

It's that button, then it's acknowledging seat belts, then it's changing to the drive mode I want...
I appreciate that Ford provides a driver-selectable button, and I understand why the A/S/S reverts to "on" every trip - but getting moving in my pickup should not be like going to the moon.

That is incorrect....
To "Blast-Off" from my driveway it takes Five items...
A Apollo Mission, required the use of over 24 Checklist "Books"...

Jerry

 

[HeyBales]

Also - does going to the moon require some extra propulsion by use of the jellyfish launcher?
Yet another button to push!

 

[Carlitos_92]

That is incorrect....
To "Blast-Off" from my driveway it takes Five items...
A Apollo Mission, required the use of over 24 Checklist "Books"...

Jerry

If only your grasp of the occasional subtlety of English matched your apparent knowledge of past space missions.

 

[Fcnrwy]

If only your grasp of the occasional subtlety of English matched your apparent knowledge of past space missions.

LOL

English class was 50 years ago...
But, English Studies aside...

Operating a "Maverick" is NOT THAT HARD...

Jerry

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