$40K- the new norm?

[rJay]

I'll say this and retire the subject for me.

Stop trying to deduce my political leanings when this conversation isn't about that. I tried to make it about material things and facts, and y'all are trying to pick apart what I believe as if it's relevant to the conversation. It's not. Inflation, as well as corporate profits, are set in stone and are researchable and are not debatable.

At the end of the day, you guys cannot compare the R&D and manufacture of a whole vehicle with price increases to the 'official' overall inflation rate average. The fact is, individual parts, materials, goods, etc. all have their own individual inflation rates, some of which are far above the national average inflation. There are also markups on certain parts and materials because there are shortages.

In other words, for a comparison, look at groceries. Some items are in line with the national average (see bread), some are below the national average (see rice, potatoes) and some are above the national average by as much as almost 100% (see eggs at a whopping 119% inflation rate since 2020).

The same principles apply for manufacturing and cost of supplies/materials and wages, just change the examples to different things.

Nothing I said wasn't based in facts. I trade Ford stock among many companies. I am aware of some of their finances. The company is not hurting, they are in fact making more money than ever even adjusted for inflation. But the Maverick has not been a huge moneymaker, and never has been, and in fact was not profitable by itself on a corporate level in 2022, and based on trends, I doubt it will be in 2025. There are reasons for that, but much of the profit was made by dealerships and salesmen.

Like I said, I won't speak on this further. People will have their opinions on the matter, and that is that, but I'm not pulling this stuff out of thin air, and certainly this isn't the space for political discussions, so I'm not gonna go all ham like I do on other sites and start posting 100 links to verify what I'm talking about. That isn't what these forums are for, and the fact is we all love the Ford Maverick dearly or we wouldn't be here. But I wasn't going to let folks try to deduce my political leanings and make the facts that I post about politics rather than reality.

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[dochawk]

Will prices ever come back naturally just from prices being too high? Just curious.

No.

Actually, that would be bad. Really, really, bad!

They're not simply "too high". Price levels have gone up for the parts, labor (wages), and everything else.

As nasty as inflation is, deflation can be worse: if prices are going down by 10% in the coming year, many economic activities make no sense; it is better for a would-be producer to simply keep the dollar than to spend it and only be able to sell for ninety cents.

While the German Bundesbank fought all inflation at all costs, due to the catastrophic inflation in the late Weimar Republic, in the US we fight deflation at all costs due to our experience with agriculture getting wiped out.

How do countries with insane currency even get that way? I couldn’t imagine counting hundreds of thousands of currency for a month of rent etc

Generally, it comes from the government printing money to pay bills. More paper money chasing the same amount of goods causes a change in price level proportional to the extra printed money.

In the Weimar Republic, they couldn't print fast enough, and resorted to "overprinting"--they would take the existing bills, and add zeroes. For example, a five million mark note would be overprinted into a five billion mark bill.

I haven't found an authoritative source, but supposedly by the end, German factory workers were paid twice a day, with their wives showing up to collect it in wheelbarrows to spend it before it lost more value!

By the end, iirc, they had dropped twenty-seven zeroes!

Not having learned from this historic example, the Yugoslavian inflation in the early 90s managed to outdo it, knocking off three more zeroes! They reached the point that even overprinting couldn't keep up, with daily inflation of over 60%! And then in a true bit of irony, they ended it by making the German mark legal tender!

If you had turned Bill Gates' entire fortune at the beginning into their currency, it would have bought a modest lunch for one by the end.

 

[710-oil-614]

I'll say this and retire the subject for me.

Stop trying to deduce my political leanings when this conversation isn't about that. I tried to make it about material things and facts, and y'all are trying to pick apart what I believe as if it's relevant to the conversation. It's not. Inflation, as well as corporate profits, are set in stone and are researchable and are not debatable.

At the end of the day, you guys cannot compare the R&D and manufacture of a whole vehicle with price increases to the 'official' overall inflation rate average. The fact is, individual parts, materials, goods, etc. all have their own individual inflation rates, some of which are far above the national average inflation. There are also markups on certain parts and materials because there are shortages.

In other words, for a comparison, look at groceries. Some items are in line with the national average (see bread), some are below the national average (see rice, potatoes) and some are above the national average by as much as almost 100% (see eggs at a whopping 119% inflation rate since 2020).

The same principles apply for manufacturing and cost of supplies/materials and wages, just change the examples to different things.

Nothing I said wasn't based in facts. I trade Ford stock among many companies. I am aware of some of their finances. The company is not hurting, they are in fact making more money than ever even adjusted for inflation. But the Maverick has not been a huge moneymaker, and never has been, and in fact was not profitable by itself on a corporate level in 2022, and based on trends, I doubt it will be in 2025. There are reasons for that, but much of the profit was made by dealerships and salesmen.

Like I said, I won't speak on this further. People will have their opinions on the matter, and that is that, but I'm not pulling this stuff out of thin air, and certainly this isn't the space for political discussions, so I'm not gonna go all ham like I do on other sites and start posting 100 links to verify what I'm talking about. That isn't what these forums are for, and the fact is we all love the Ford Maverick dearly or we wouldn't be here. But I wasn't going to let folks try to deduce my political leanings and make the facts that I post about politics rather than reality.

You are the ONLY person who has mentioned politics. You also have an odd complex trying to justify your wealth and knowledge. Nothing you said in your first post was fact and it appears all you’ve done is reiterate the same talking points in long form.

 

[bgn]

But the Maverick has not been a huge moneymaker, and never has been, and in fact was not profitable by itself on a corporate level in 2022, and based on trends, I doubt it will be in 2025.

How do you know how well the specific product line is doing? I'm about 99% sure they don't publicly talk about profitability of individual products.

I don't imagine the profit is high, but it's a parts bin vehicle.

 

[Hot Runr Guy]

How do you know how well the specific product line is doing? I'm about 99% sure they don't publicly talk about profitability of individual products.

I don't imagine the profit is high, but it's a parts bin vehicle.

Exactly! Like a guy on another forum I frequent that constantly tries to justify how profitable Lincoln is, even though there is absolutely no data available outside of the Ford Boardroom.

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[Blackbelt]

I bought my Maverick for a few reasons. First, i bought a used Toyota Prius C in 2016 and drove it for over 7 years. I decided i was going to buy a new vehicle as a retirement gift to myself. I had leased a RAM 1500 hemi in 2014 and hated the thing. I liked the idea of having a truck, but i hated the size. When Ford introduced the Maverick Hybrid, it checked almost all the boxes for me (except AWD). Since i own a 4x4 already, i decided that FWD would be fine so i ordered my 2023 which ended up rolling into 2024. If i were to be buying today, i don't think i would be looking at a Maverick. I paid a tad over $25K for my 2024 hybrid, but at close to $30K i would pass. Happily i do not have to make that decision, as i plan to have my mav for a long time. BTW, that toyota is now in my sons hands and is being as trouble free for him as it was for me.

 

[Scupking]

F150 is too long to fit in my garage, #1 hit against it D:- funny, my friend cant fit his 65k f150 in his garage either, too long .but he loves it. we get hail a lot, my mustang I had got hit by hail, was 7k in damage. never again. (I had insurance) but still. NEVER AGAIN

I would love for the next gen Mav to grow by about 6 inches. That would get us a 5 foot bed and still almost be a half a foot shorter than the Ranger!

 

[colinl]

I would love for the next gen Mav to grow by about 6 inches. That would get us a 5 foot bed and still almost be a half a foot shorter than the Ranger!

the rear departure angle is already pretty bad, so I think wheelbase would have to get longer to support a longer bed unless the cab shrinks. but in theory I'm interested in a 5 foot bed.

 

[TNFurb]

I don’t want the Maverick to grow at all. It’s current size is a key component of what makes it perfect for me.

 

[L30n1d45]

I'm curious if others think Maverick's pricing has affected its position in the market

Until some other manufacturer offers an AWD Hybrid pickup that gets 30-40mpg, I really don't expect the Maverick to be too affected by its current price-point.

I've been watching the market for a while before I pulled the trigger to order a MY25 Mav, and there really just isn't another option out there that has complete feature-parity with the Mav.

F150 is too long to fit in my garage, #1 hit against it D:- funny, my friend cant fit his 65k f150 in his garage either, too long .but he loves it. we get hail a lot, my mustang I had got hit by hail, was 7k in damage. never again. (I had insurance) but still. NEVER AGAIN

For me, the Maverick will barely fit in my garage. I didn't realize just how shallow my garage was until I started shopping around for a small pickup to replace my Forester.

 

[Potato Skins]

itt: idiots comparing the price of a Lariat to the price of an XL.

 

[Phimosis]

Here’s the thing, a standard US garage is 20 feet. Once you add the stud wall and sheet rock separating the house from the garage, that 240 inches shrinks to 234”. Add a work bench or cabinets, like most pickup owners will have in their garage, and you lose another 24”. Now you’re down to 210”. Add in a 201” Maverick and you have 9” of clearance remaining, 4.5” in front and 4.5” in back. And that is about as tight as most people are willing to tolerate.

I would prefer a 201” Maverick that had 6” longer bed and 6” shorter rear seat leg room, but I am in the minority. On the other hand, I have zero interest in a 207” Maverick, because it wouldn’t fit in my garage without multiple trips outside the vehicle to ensure proper clearance.

Before the Ranger, Ford’s mini truck was the courier (1972-1982) and it measured 172”.

in 1983, Ford released the Ranger. It measured 175” with standard bed, or 187” with long bed, or 193 inches with super cab.

In that same era, the 7th gen F150 (1980-1986) measured 197” for standard bed/cab and 219” for crew cab/standard bed, which means the smallest configuration of the Maverick is larger than the smallest configuration of previous f150’s.

If the Maverick was any larger, a lot of people would lose interest.

 

[FreedomPenguin]

Here’s the thing, a standard US garage is 20 feet. Once you add the stud wall and sheet rock separating the house from the garage, that 240 inches shrinks to 234”. Add a work bench or cabinets, like most pickup owners will have in their garage, and you lose another 24”. Now you’re down to 210”. Add in a 201” Maverick and you have 9” of clearance remaining, 4.5” in front and 4.5” in back. And that is about as tight as most people are willing to tolerate.

I would prefer a 201” Maverick that had 6” longer bed and 6” shorter rear seat leg room, but I am in the minority. On the other hand, I have zero interest in a 207” Maverick, because it wouldn’t fit in my garage without multiple trips outside the vehicle to ensure proper clearance.

Before the Ranger, Ford’s mini truck was the courier (1972-1982) and it measured 172”.

in 1983, Ford released the Ranger. It measured 175” with standard bed, or 187” with long bed, or 193 inches with super cab.

In that same era, the 7th gen F150 (1980-1986) measured 197” for standard bed/cab and 219” for crew cab/standard bed, which means the smallest configuration of the Maverick is larger than the smallest configuration of previous f150’s.

If the Maverick was any larger, a lot of people would lose interest.

I have a gladiator table, in front of my garage, and its goin to leave me like additional 12 inches of space with maverick in garage, not much. part of me says, maybe I will cut the table in half, for more room to pull in.

I sold the gr86 after a few months, I liked it, but didnt love it. maverick will be in the same spot as gr86. will be moving that parking ball forward to compensate for the maverick.

 

[TNFurb]

I have a gladiator table, in front of my garage, and its goin to leave me like additional 12 inches of space with maverick in garage, not much. part of me says, maybe I will cut the table in half, for more room to pull in.

I sold the gr86 after a few months, I liked it, but didnt love it. maverick will be in the same spot as gr86. will be moving that parking ball forward to compensate for the maverick.

Nice garage!!! What flooring system do you have?

 

[FreedomPenguin]

Nice garage!!! What flooring system do you have?

thanks! I bought my house in 2016 and the garage had a cracked slab, but the house was professionally fixed, had like piers put into house, and French drains, and even paid for neighbors draining away from my house to prevent settling. ive been here 8 years and no issues. but because the garage floor was cracked, noway in hell was I repouring concrete, otherwise I would of done epoxy myself. - I did do epoxy though in corner of garage which I really enjoy.

its called race deck, I paid like $1000 bucks back then, shipped/etc. it looks 95% perfect, few little small scratches and such. I put a black tile on ground for a sacrificial tile for kickstand now for motorcycle. instead of constantly parking it on new tiles.

here are some old photos when I got the garage!. I insulted the entire house to r60, and insulated the walls, and garage, it stays warm in winter, cold in summer. I love it! and I dont have bugs or anything either. its really nice, because its insulated I can jam my Sonos five speaker with zero complaints.


also you can see my DIY epoxy in corner, I really like it. I wish I could have done entire garage this, but hey whatever. if you do get race deck, do what I did and put a heavy duty 2x layer of landscape fabric people complain about clacking/noise walking but zero issues for me.

sorry for so many photos! but I really enjoyed doing this when I moved in, it was like a new room in house, its my mancave. I just leaf blow it out periodically takes 1 minute, and I mop a few times a year. I dont park in garage fi my car is covered in wet mud or snow/salt.

idk why, but even today im still moving stuff around/I find fun in this I guess. not sure why.

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