Ford delays new EV pickup to 2027

[Gonzo chris]

Dealer cost is a known number. There is not $2,000 markup on a XL Maverick. Much less $3k. This we know.

Thanks for the info but still doesn't answer the question. We just know what the dealer is paying for the vehicle. We don't know how much it cost for it to make it. Again if Ford could sell it to the dealer for $23,000 and make a profit we don't know. But they're not going to sell it for that if they could sell it for $27k to the dealer

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[LSchicago]

Thanks for the info but still doesn't answer the question. We just know what the dealer is paying for the vehicle. We don't know how much it cost for it to make it. Again if Ford could sell it to the dealer for $23,000 and make a profit we don't know. But they're not going to sell it for that if they could sell it for $27k to the dealer

Doesn't matter. You have to buy it from a dealer. Ford does not sell direct to consumers. Not quite sure what doesn't compute here for you.

 

[Gonzo chris]

Doesn't matter. You have to buy it from a dealer. Ford does not sell direct to consumers. Not quite sure what doesn't compute here for you.

We going to have to have remedial English out here. Some other bloke said that an EV can't be sold for x amount or at least no time soon because Ford CAN'T even sell a Maverick for 25k. I asked is it a case of can't or won't. These are both words but they have different meanings. I'm not sure what is so difficult to understand.
Oh I went back and checked you're the one who said they can't. So it does matter.

 

[LSchicago]

We going to have to have remedial English out here. Some other bloke said that an EV can't be sold for x amount or at least no time soon because Ford CAN'T even sell a Maverick for 25k. I asked is it a case of can't or won't. These are both words but they have different meanings. I'm not sure what is so difficult to understand.

Ford makes very little money on this ENTRY LEVEL product. They can sell for less if they want to lose money. I don't know any business who can stay in business by losing money. So they could, but why would they? They sell every one they can build. I feel like I am talking to a 5 year old here. If you don't like the truck, DON'T BUY IT! It's not F'ing rocket science.

 

[Gonzo chris]

Doesn't matter. You have to buy it from a dealer. Ford does not sell direct to consumers. Not quite sure what doesn't compute here for you.

"Considering Ford can't even sell a Maverick for $25K anymore at all, You are bit off on that price."
I believe that's what you wrote

 

[Hot Runr Guy]

C'mon guys, none of us "civilians" will ever know the true cost to build, until one of us gets a seat in the Boardroom. No different than my opinion of Lincoln, if you look at the pathetic volumes, plus all the bespoke parts, how can anybody justify the brand?

At the end of the day, Ford is out to make a profit for the family and its' shareholders.

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[LSchicago]

C'mon guys, none of us "civilians" will ever know the true cost to build, until one of us gets a seat in the Boardroom. No different than my opinion of Lincoln, if you look at the pathetic volumes, plus all the bespoke parts, how can anybody justify the brand?

At the end of the day, Ford is out to make a profit for the family and its' shareholders.

HRG

Ford Profits less than 10% across the board on average. If they knock 12% off their cheapest product, you know damn well they will lose money on the Maverick XL.

 

[bbhaag]

Personally, I've only ever driven one. A Volvo that I rented to drive from DC to Delaware for a funeral. It was that experience that showed me that the EV infrastructure has a ways to go. Despite that area being bluer than my truck, the number of actual high speed charger available was poor. That said, I was practically tripping over Tesla superchargers. So, Ford just adopting the Tesla charging port is the correct call.

I've told my wife it is a good thing I bought the Maverick when I did. If I was vehicle shopping right now, I would 100% own a Lightning given the current deals (if not for the Super Duties being roughly the same price).

Well that is one more than 99% of members posting in this thread so good for you.

 

[Snox801]

Well Hybrids have been severely constrained in past years, but at one point over 80% of pending orders were for hybrids, when Ford could build 50% as hybrids in 2023. More than half of 2023's were sold as hybrids in 2023, so they must've found a bit more capacity. See: https://www.wired.com/story/the-202...at-hybrid-pickup-trucks-are-going-mainstream/

A lot more than half of 2024's are being built as hybrids, (those final numbers will take a few months) as hybrid parts are more available this year. By the end of 2025, Ecoboost sales will be insignificant as the AWD & 4K options are finally available soon on the hybrids.

Time shall tell. Thanks for the digging. I assumed it was less based on constraints but point still stands why would they give up 50 percent of sales. Not gonna lie. My mom who is 72 drove both and asked why would someone want a hybrid.
She said she liked the acceleration of the boost.
So it’s seems to be a flavor for everyone. I simply like the added power, and the less complicated drivetrain.

One drivetrain as opposed to two. That may be different in the future as things move on. I like the idea of a plug in hybrid for sure. Especially if they start adding power through the e motors on acceleration

 

[Snox801]

Oh okay. I thought the previous statement was more about hybrids generally not being fun and liking driving enjoyment driving. I didn't realize you were talking specifically about Ford and what they have done so far.

Ya just the approach they have. No doubt you could in theory have best of both worlds. Even the guy trying to squeeze more out of the Mach e are not getting the performance one would expect. Teslas did spoil most people when it came to quick cars.

 

[LSchicago]

Time shall tell. Thanks for the digging. I assumed it was less based on constraints but point still stands why would they give up 50 percent of sales. Not gonna lie. My mom who is 72 drove both and asked why would someone want a hybrid.
She said she liked the acceleration of the boost.
So it’s seems to be a flavor for everyone. I simply like the added power, and the less complicated drivetrain.

One drivetrain as opposed to two. That may be different in the future as things move on. I like the idea of a plug in hybrid for sure. Especially if they start adding power through the e motors on acceleration

Once 2025's come available with 4K and AWD hybrids the ecoboost numbers will drop quite a bit.

 

[Gonzo chris]

Ya just the approach they have. No doubt you could in theory have best of both worlds. Even the guy trying to squeeze more out of the Mach e are not getting the performance one would expect. Teslas did spoil most people when it came to quick cars.

Yes so it's more of a Ford issue than an EV issue. Having said that I find the acceleration of something like a Tesla to be a one-trick pony. I'm more into the overall performance. When I was younger I was more of a muscle car guy but I agree more with the theory that it's more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow. Handling, steering feel etc are more important to me than they used to be. That's one of the reasons I don't consider an EV to be a sports car even if it's fast. They're too heavy for that role in my opinion. That doesn't mean they wouldn't be okay for my wife to drive back and forth to work though.

 

[OleFordGuy]

Well imo several of the big auto CEO's and other big names in the industry and more are changing their tune and strategies shifted because the light blub came on - The realization that the infrastructure in the US and others must be in place before EV's will reach any kind of mass adoption across the country. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink it. imo the battery technology needs to develop and mature more also, until then ICE and Hybrid will continue to flourish
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/new...n&cvid=c6002e0592b947dfa13cd3f5bea03995&ei=35

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/s...6002e0592b947dfa13cd3f5bea03995&ei=79#image=1

 

[A Sturdy Beast]

Just a bit of History
In the Early 90 's Chrysler was going to put an electric minivan to market - Was very close to hitting production and packaging for the vehicle was being developed so parts could be delivered to the assembly line ( was involved) - Then the Iraq Gulf War happened - Emphasis was put on the Defense Department needs for batteries / engineering etc... for the battlefield That project never saw the light of day even though it was ready to go - and here we are

Remembering the Chrysler TEVan, the All-Electric Minivan You Didn't Know Existed - autoevolution

Speaking of 90’s EV history, there was also the GM EV-1. GM only leased them, never sold. GM only made about one thousand of them, as an experiment. They were very well liked by those who had one. GM eventually took them all back, and fed the cars to crushers. It inspired a documentary, “Who Killed the Electric Car?”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_EV1

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Killed_the_Electric_Car

 

[commadorebob]

Speaking of 90’s EV history, there was also the GM EV-1. GM only leased them, never sold. GM only made about one thousand of them, as an experiment. They were very well liked by those who had one. GM eventually took them all back, and fed the cars to crushers. It inspired a documentary, “Who Killed the Electric Car?”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_EV1

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Killed_the_Electric_Car

That was a great example of battery technology lagging the market. Lithium Ion cells are the only reason Tesla managed to make the EV workable. Upcoming battery tech may finally make EV mainstream.

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