Ford delays new EV pickup to 2027

[Gonzo chris]

Exactly, I laugh when the plaid guys try and compare it to my gt500. I say ya your car is quick but quick is not the same as fast. Even had one guy try and bring it to the hpde days. He learned real quick that they are two different style cars. Overall the gt500 is just better faster once rolling plus can stop and turn.
If drag racing is your jam then they are an amazing car. Same I fell with hybrid vs ecoboost. If mileage was my jam then sure. But I also prefer the more power and decent mpg I get now. Even if I got the hybrid I’d still do like I do now see how much mpg I could get and also how bad it gets when driving like race car.

Yeah I mean I'm not going to argue that anybody is going to have the same sports car feel in an EV as a Porsche Cayman gt4 but I think power is power when you're comparing turbo to battery in a way. Yeah that big smash when the turbo kicking is nice but it's just not linear throttle response. Not to get nerdy about it .... So I think yeah they can have a more powerful electric motor if they have a better more powerful battery. I can see a solid state hybrid being a lot more fun. The torque is instant. But I don't think Ford is designing the hybrid for power boost or fun it's more an MPG thing

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[jack1usa]

I think we will see the ecoboost dropped eventually from the Maverick and it will be only hybrid. I'm actually surprised they didn't drop it for the refresh now that the hybrid has AWD and the 4k tow package.

2.0 Ecoboost hybrid exists already - Ford just needs to make it fit.

But I predict the Maverick sales mix will go 90% hybrid / 10% Ecoboost…

 

[SLINGSHOT]

Forget the planet, EV's have a ton of power and are fun to drive. Too late to fix what's already been damaged with the planet as the will just isn't there to do and pay for what needs to be done. Eventually the planet wide disasters will convince/kill us, but until then, smoky burnouts are your friend with an EV.

Party On!!
We'll just put the cost on our grandkid's card and let them worry about paying the bill.

 

[Snox801]

Yeah I mean I'm not going to argue that anybody is going to have the same sports car feel in an EV as a Porsche Cayman gt4 but I think power is power when you're comparing turbo to battery in a way. Yeah that big smash when the turbo kicking is nice but it's just not linear throttle response. Not to get nerdy about it .... So I think yeah they can have a more powerful electric motor if they have a better more powerful battery. I can see a solid state hybrid being a lot more fun. The torque is instant. But I don't think Ford is designing the hybrid for power boost or fun it's more an MPG thing

They seems to with the 150 power boost. It’s a very quick pickup bone stock. Just think with the hybrid the maverick has they don’t have any power in the ice so they have to be careful of draining the battery for acceleration purposes. Cause then mpg goes to normal.

But the hybrid is perfect for what it’s for. It’s just not a one size fits all. Nothing really is. I just think it’s not a realistic view to say they won’t keep the ecoboost. Followed by a statement that they made up 70 percent of the sales when in fact they didn’t.
Both have a spot in the lineup for sure.

 

[Snox801]

2.0 Ecoboost hybrid exists already - Ford just needs to make it fit.

But I predict the Maverick sales mix will go 90% hybrid / 10% Ecoboost…

I bet it never goes more than 70/30.
Not at least until like Chris says and they use more powerfull batteries and bigger drive motors

 

[OleFordGuy]

Oh boy... Yeah we all like choice. You don't really have choice now anyway not whatever choice you want. The government already tells Ford what they can make the government tells Ford what kind of mileage of fleet has to get the government tells Ford what kind of emissions they can put out dot has regs. But if you like the illusion of this pure freedom in your conquering the Open West or whatever enjoy I understand....

We sure do, if I decide I don't want an EV a Hybrid or Hydrogen or whatever and want to stay traditional Ice (just to use autos as an example) if X mfg doesn't offer one theirs a real strong chance a different one will. If none do, fine, I've got 3 different ones at the moment, the oldest a 2011 F150 all in perfect condition that have many years life left, or untold numbers on the market to purchase, I can put a crate motor, transmission or whatever in and be happy. ICE isn't going to magically go away, heck ford's already stated their going full force in large ICE trucks, commercial trucks, etc along with Hybrid versions. ICE will be around far longer than any of us on this forum will live. Mfgs for many years past and many years to come just purchase credits from telsa or whoever to hit their target. Same for boats, motorcycles, RV's or whatever product you want to insert. imo i think you are the one with the illusion that there will be only EV, Hybrid or whatever you have in your head. And yes myself and all others will have the freedom to go the direction they choose.

 

[ndmiller]

Party On!!
We'll just put the cost on our grandkid's card and let them worry about paying the bill.

Great idea!!!

 

[AutobahnSHO]

Currently, the US enjoys cheap gas prices compared to the rest of the world. Although you "CAN" buy monster HP Porsches, BMW M5s, MBs, in Germany, the majority of cars are tiny little gas sippers. Gas there costs 2-3x as much as here.

Until Americans get over their obsession with HP (to get to the next red light faster?) and ginormous vehicles, we're not going to improve: gas usage, electric usage, the enviroment, etc...

I'm SOOOOO grateful that I was able to get a Maverick at a low price and how useful the vehicle is.

 

[Gonzo chris]

We sure do, if I decide I don't want an EV a Hybrid or Hydrogen or whatever and want to stay traditional Ice (just to use autos as an example) if X mfg doesn't offer one theirs a real strong chance a different one will. If none do, fine, I've got 3 different ones at the moment, the oldest a 2011 F150 all in perfect condition that have many years life left, or untold numbers on the market to purchase, I can put a crate motor, transmission or whatever in and be happy. ICE isn't going to magically go away, heck ford's already stated their going full force in large ICE trucks, commercial trucks, etc along with Hybrid versions. ICE will be around far longer than any of us on this forum will live. Mfgs for many years past and many years to come just purchase credits from telsa or whoever to hit their target. Same for boats, motorcycles, RV's or whatever product you want to insert. imo i think you are the one with the illusion that there will be only EV, Hybrid or whatever you have in your head. And yes myself and all others will have the freedom to go the direction they choose.

You choose amongst what manufacturers produce
Of course Ford is going all in on giant trucks they can't compete in any other segment. Keep making them bigger.....guess I'll have to get an F350 in case I get hit buy one.
Listen, it's not a tinfoil hat conspiracy to pry the gasoline from your cold dead fingers....I like ICEVS as well but you only have the freedom to choose from amongst what the government ( whether state or federal) allows. I'm sorry if that makes some feel neutered but. ....You can't buy a car from Ford without a catalytic converter that runs on leaded because the government won't allow you to. Wkrn I was a kid you could. Of course ICE will go away eventually if civilization continues. Eventually . Nobody rational is saying EVs are perfect for everything right now or even soon but there are a lot of irrationals out here who say something along the lines of "I can't tow an RV 1,000 miles a day across the Yukon in one so they're no good for a suburbanites daily commute"
You're making the mistake of using the little blink of an eye that you're here as the reference. If I told you in 1990 that blockbuster would go out of business due to streaming you'd say the same
P S. I was going to hand my old Golf down to my son but for safety sake I guess I'll sell it and get him a monster truck that gets 7 mpg because "the big 3" have convinced us that's what we all need ....

 

[Gonzo chris]

They seems to with the 150 power boost. It’s a very quick pickup bone stock. Just think with the hybrid the maverick has they don’t have any power in the ice so they have to be careful of draining the battery for acceleration purposes. Cause then mpg goes to normal.

But the hybrid is perfect for what it’s for. It’s just not a one size fits all. Nothing really is. I just think it’s not a realistic view to say they won’t keep the ecoboost. Followed by a statement that they made up 70 percent of the sales when in fact they didn’t.
Both have a spot in the lineup for sure.

Nobody says it's a one size fits all , but if they took the EB 2.0 and added a battery and motor to it obviously it would have more power.

 

[OleFordGuy]

You choose amongst what manufacturers produce
Of course Ford is going all in on giant trucks they can't compete in any other segment. Keep making them bigger.....guess I'll have to get an F350 in case I get hit buy one.
Listen, it's not a tinfoil hat conspiracy to pry the gasoline from your cold dead fingers....I like ICEVS as well but you only have the freedom to choose from amongst what the government ( whether state or federal) allows. I'm sorry if that makes some feel neutered but. ....You can't buy a car from Ford without a catalytic converter that runs on leaded because the government won't allow you to. Wkrn I was a kid you could. Of course ICE will go away eventually if civilization continues. Eventually . Nobody rational is saying EVs are perfect for everything right now or even soon but there are a lot of irrationals out here who say something along the lines of "I can't tow an RV 1,000 miles a day across the Yukon in one so they're no good for a suburbanites daily commute"
You're making the mistake of using the little blink of an eye that you're here as the reference. If I told you in 1990 that blockbuster would go out of business due to streaming you'd say the same
P S. I was going to hand my old Golf down to my son but for safety sake I guess I'll sell it and get him a monster truck that gets 7 mpg because "the big 3" have convinced us that's what we all need ....

I think there’s valid points in both our discussions, I’m not necessarily a hater or lover of any propulsion method their is theirs pros and cons to all and certain methods fit different people and that’s great, but I do feel strongly that the freedom to choose a power source type fits best for an individual’s circumstance. Infrastructure has a long way to go currently for the major population currently, hybrid is probably the best route for many now but traditional ice will still have its place for a long time imo.

 

[SLINGSHOT]

EV sales are increasing, not tanking.

As for Hertz, it wasn’t an electric car problem. It was a Tesla problem. Hertz dumped its Teslas because Tesla kept cutting the price of new ones. Hertz is as much a used car company as it is a rental car company. They didn’t sell because no one wants an electric. They sold because of the plunging value of Tesla cars. Plus repair cost were high on Teslas.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/11/business/hertz-electric-vehicles-tesla.html

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If the sales are increasing, why are the manufacturers cutting back on production?

 

[Gonzo chris]

I think there’s valid points in both our discussions, I’m not necessarily a hater or lover of any propulsion method their is theirs pros and cons to all and certain methods fit different people and that’s great, but I do feel strongly that the freedom to choose a power source type fits best for an individual’s circumstance. Infrastructure has a long way to go currently for the major population currently, hybrid is probably the best route for many now but traditional ice will still have its place for a long time imo.

Agree to an extent but as far as I'm concerned it's not what I would call "freedom" since you choose amongst the propulsion system the government allows. Semantics maybe? If they set emissions or cafe standards too high it would effectively eliminate new ICEVs. I agreed with you previously that ice still has a place for awhile I just would like it if American car companies don't go out of business because they're just selling big gas trucks, or diesel, to a diminishing market. As they say you fix your roof when the sun is shining.

 

[Timothyd]

You don't like this planet? So is there any evidence that the capacity of the grid has an increased in the last 10 years? Also there is a hell of a lot more residential solar in my area and I live in Pennsylvania not California... So that is all an increasing grid capacity in and of itself. But I do understand that can't do attitude I get it.

Silly questions. Just because the collectors are there doesn't mean they're making a substantial contribution. Can’t do or can do doesn't mean realistic.

 

[Gonzo chris]

Silly questions. Just because the collectors are there doesn't mean they're making a substantial contribution. Can’t do or can do doesn't mean realistic.

How do you define substantial. The last few years wind and solar have added more power to the grid than any other source. The United States can and should continue updating the "grid" .

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