Maverick EV reportedly on hold until early next decade [⚠️ LOCKED DUE TO POLITICS]

[710-oil-614]

A lot of that is not "EV" but "Tesla". They're still catching up to decades of other manufacturers having the experience of engineering vehicles to be easi(er) to maintain and repair, for parts to be in good supply, etc...

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[jtfitz57]

Love, love love my Chevy Bolt. Granted, I bought it with the knowledge that I would not be taking it on long trips. I charge it at home overnight on my level 2 charger and so I do not have to worry about where I will charge it and how busy it will be. I get 230 miles charging it to 80% and use it for 90% of my driving which is commuting around town. No way would I 100% rely on an EV for all my driving because the technology and infrastructure is not there yet. But if you go in knowing and accepting the current limitations an EV as a second car makes a whole hell of a lot of sense.

 

[son of a ..sven]

A lot of that is not "EV" but "Tesla". They're still catching up to decades of other manufacturers having the experience of engineering vehicles to be easi(er) to maintain and repair, for parts to be in good supply, etc...

And then Tesla is years ahead of all other EV mfg. companies. Lots of those "other" companies are asking (buying) Tesla tech. Older article, but it continues> https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-will-help-ask-nicely/

 

[Scott Asheville]

The media gets clicks by provoking us and pushing us to one extreme or the other. They politicize BEVs and turn the issue into some kind of tribal identity warfare. They also present selected parts of a very complex issue to push their narrative of the day, often using anecdotal or poorly supported data. If you've been paying any attention, the BEV-ICE-Hybrid-PHEV narrative of the day swings wildly from year to year, and even month to month. It's mostly noise coming from every direction - and none of that noise really casts much light on how our automotive future is gonna roll out.

I could personally care less if Ford builds a BEV Bronco or Maverick anytime soon. Not because I don't want a BEV small trucklet or utility - I do. But because there are 42 OEMs in the USA market (at least according to Google - I can't name 42). If Ford doesn't do something in that space, well bless their hearts. Somebody else will.

Some OEMs will navigate this massive and critical conversion well. Some maybe won't. But you can bet there will be a lot of "sturm und drang" from here to there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturm_und_Drang

 

[Scott Asheville]

And then Tesla is years ahead of all other EV mfg. companies. Lots of those "other" companies are asking (buying) Tesla tech. Older article, but it continues> https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-will-help-ask-nicely/

I love watching what kind of wrench Tesla will throw into the industry on any given day. But watching BYD is starting to get even more interesting. I love the phrase people are now throwing around about China entering Mexico - "an extinction level event for the American auto industry". Dunno if it's true, but it's wonderfully dramatic.

https://www.autoline.tv/car-reviews/the-ev-detroit-is-dying-to-benchmark-byd-seagull/

 

[OneAlienBoi]

Customers will not wait for Ford. Other automakers may offer electrification on affordable small truck sooner. Toyota, Kia/Hyundai, VW etc.
Finally rumors are rumors so this unconfirmed news may just be some clickbait, and we will get on the contrary a Mav phev in 2025 that I would buy.

Thinking Toyota is going to beat Ford to the punch on any EV offering is hilarious. GM just canceled their maverick rival, Toyota said there's no plans for a maverick rival. As stunning as it is, Ford's competitors are just letting Ford run away with this segment.

 

[Gonzo chris]

Gonna take a looooong time to recoup all these so called "Start Up" losses. That in itself wiil keep prices high for some time. The shareholders cannot be happy or at least not as pleased as they would like to be.

If true about Rivian, not surprising. Takes lots of capital to keep the doors open amid the losses they have been experiencing.

One of the built in weaknesses, particularly in the States, the next 1/4 is all that matters if the company fails in the long run.....

 

[710-oil-614]

that math will never work when you account for your time.

for me, time is the most valuable thing that I have. I cannot spend even 20 minutes charging an EV when I can pump gas in 5. and while some Teslas definitely can go from 20-80% in 20 minutes with the optimal charger, a lot of vehicles cannot charge that fast AND you cannot at all guarantee that you can go to a charging station- besides one in your own garage- is readily available for use when you need it. you either go very often to ensure you stay above 50%, or you can count on spending an hour or more to charge, sometimes. whereas gasoline is always 5-10 minutes to refuel.

The flipside to that is that let's assume I fill up 1x per week in my Maverick but I can now charge at home instead of spending 5 minutes at the pump. 5 minutes x 52 fill ups - 260 minutes.

let's say I take 3 road trips a year that require me to stop at fill 2x per leg - 4x per trip for 12 total recharges. The delta 15 minutes (20 recharge - 5 fill) x 12 stops is only 160 minutes so by owning an EV you are gaining 100 minutes throughout the year.

If you factor in oil changes that will be 2-3x per year your time savings only goes farther up with an EV.

 

[colinl]

The flipside to that is that let's assume I fill up 1x per week in my Maverick but I can now charge at home instead of spending 5 minutes at the pump.

most definitely agree that the best, and in my opinion the only, scenario where EVs win is if you never have to charge away from home. including (and especially) the harshest winter weather, if your climate has such.

meanwhile, still not seeing a problem with hybrids.

I don't own one because I don't care about 45 mpg and I do care about towing and going fast. that is definitely one thing EVs have in spades. they accelerate really quickly, but it's a stunt that has little practical purpose, even though it is fun.

 

[Gonzo chris]

And then Tesla is years ahead of all other EV mfg. companies. Lots of those "other" companies are asking (buying) Tesla tech. Older article, but it continues> https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-will-help-ask-nicely/

No legacy automakers are taking Tesla up on buying their tag and the Rivian case I believe was never proved. Elon is basically trying to say that employee leaves Tesla and goes to work at another EV company. They're stealing secrets. Also offering to sell or share their technology to really just a way of trying to say their stuff is better while trying to sound nice

 

[Gonzo chris]

most definitely agree that the best, and in my opinion the only, scenario where EVs win is if you never have to charge away from home. including (and especially) the harshest winter weather, if your climate has such.

meanwhile, still not seeing a problem with hybrids.

I don't own one because I don't care about 45 mpg and I do care about towing and going fast. that is definitely one thing EVs have in spades. they accelerate really quickly, but it's a stunt that has little practical purpose, even though it is fun.

I wouldn't say it would have to be you never charge in a public charger. If you take a small road trip once or twice a year where you have to charge once or twice on that trip, it's not that big a deal. If you have to charge publicly every time it would be ridiculous because the cost savings wouldn't even be that great.

 

[710-oil-614]

most definitely agree that the best, and in my opinion the only, scenario where EVs win is if you never have to charge away from home. including (and especially) the harshest winter weather, if your climate has such.

meanwhile, still not seeing a problem with hybrids.

I don't own one because I don't care about 45 mpg and I do care about towing and going fast. that is definitely one thing EVs have in spades. they accelerate really quickly, but it's a stunt that has little practical purpose, even though it is fun.

Was just playing devil's advocate. I've actually had EVs, HEVs, PHEVs, and ICE so I can speak to all of them and I don't fan boy over one technology or powertrain or the other. To me, they are all modern engineering marvels and they all have a place and there is plenty of room for every powertrain to play nicely together.

Someone who is a "road warrior" high mileage driver every single day would not fit the profile for an EV. I think that the "average" driver in that 12,000-15,000 mile per year range where the vast majority of miles occur close to home would actually benefit timewise from owning an EV which is basically the scenario I laid out above with a few road trips taken throughout the year.

Even if you double the number of road trips I said above - your time would be at a wash at the end of the year.

People who swear off a particular technology (not saying you, I just responded to your comment because of my real life scenario and you're a good person to discuss with) without any experience of factual evidence to back up their position are...humorous to me.

 

[Bigfoot23]

According to one of our sources, Ford has placed EV versions of the Maverick and Bronco on-hold, until at least the early ‘30s.

Source: https://www.autoweek.com/news/a46869879/gm-chevy-silverado-gmc-sierra-phevs-coming-to-market/

 

[Mav_RICK]

Thanks bro.......I know a lot of you guys on here like long term data versus two months worth of data.

Ford missed the boat by not already doing a Maverick EV or similar size. It would have been much lower in price than the Lightning with better range. I believe it would have been a hit. Should have been a EB a Hybrid and a BEV offering.

 

[Mav_RICK]

What are you smoking

A PHEV Maverick would add at least $3,000 to the cost over the current Hybrid.

Do you believe that the second or higher power HV battery would cost nothing.

How about the charging electronics do you think that costs nothing.

I really roll my eyes at the belief that a PHEV won't cost more than a Hybrid.

I think a PHEV Maverick make little sense and yes it would absolutely cost more than a hybrid and take quite a lot of driving to break even on fuel savings if ever.

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