Hybrid Batteries Life & Replacement Costs?

[Benc3aptos]

Do any of your more knowledgeable car/truck folks know how long the batteries for this new hybrid engine will last? How hard and expensive is it to get them changes out once they wear out?

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[SuckLemons]

I definitely would not lose sleep over this. From someone who owns a 2012 hybrid with 140,000 miles and had a 2009 Ford Escape hybrid with over 260,000 miles on it with zero issues, I don’t think that is a factor as much as it used to be. I’m sure the battery degrades, but not to the point of rendering the car unusable. You should get at least 10 years out of it and the Ford warranty for those components is pretty generous (I suspect because of the consumer’s trepidation with the technology). From what I’ve read, even when it starts to go downhill, it’s not a general failure, but a cell or two that fail.

Even so, I have seen Prius battery replacements for $500-$600. They just refurbish the batteries and reuse them. Some places even have warranties for them. More for new batteries, but I would gladly slap a $1,000 battery into a 12-year old car if it was well-maintained.

 

[clavicus]

I definitely would not lose sleep over this. From someone who owns a 2012 hybrid with 140,000 miles and had a 2009 Ford Escape hybrid with over 260,000 miles on it with zero issues, I don’t think that is a factor as much as it used to be. I’m sure the battery degrades, but not to the point of rendering the car unusable. You should get at least 10 years out of it and the Ford warranty for those components is pretty generous (I suspect because of the consumer’s trepidation with the technology). From what I’ve read, even when it starts to go downhill, it’s not a general failure, but a cell or two that fail.

Even so, I have seen Prius battery replacements for $500-$600. They just refurbish the batteries and reuse them. Some places even have warranties for them. More for new batteries, but I would gladly slap a $1,000 battery into a 12-year old car if it was well-maintained.

That sounds so much cheaper than I imagined.

 

[SuckLemons]

Yes, but that is a Prius that had pretty unchanged technology for a long time and has been around (plenty of “old” batteries to refurbish). I am sure this battery in the first few years would be ridiculous, but luckily you have a warranty on these.

 

[FirstOnRaceDay]

Do any of your more knowledgeable car/truck folks know how long the batteries for this new hybrid engine will last? How hard and expensive is it to get them changes out once they wear out?

I would not worry at all. Reading other forums of people with Escape and Fusion hybrids. Most have said they hit 200k+ miles with no issues at all.

Battery replacement installed by a dealer will cost ~$2000 but that cost is getting cheaper and more small shops are getting their hands on refurbished batteries. Only costing $1200 or so. However I imagine the dealers offer some kind of warranty with replacement batteries.

the motors are cheaper like $500-1000.

all the hybrid components of the Maverick are covered under a 8 year 100,000 mile warranty. More than enough in my opinion. If you have a bad battery or motor you’ll know by then.

 

[SuckLemons]

If you have a bad battery or motor you’ll know by then.

Agreed. From my research these components fail (at a small rate) earlier rather than later and are covered by warranty. Definitely nothing to worry about in my opinion though.

 

[clavicus]

I would not worry at all. Reading other forums of people with Escape and Fusion hybrids. Most have said they hit 200k+ miles with no issues at all.

Battery replacement installed by a dealer will cost ~$2000 but that cost is getting cheaper and more small shops are getting their hands on refurbished batteries. Only costing $1200 or so. However I imagine the dealers offer some kind of warranty with replacement batteries.

the motors are cheaper like $500-1000.

all the hybrid components of the Maverick are covered under a 8 year 100,000 mile warranty. More than enough in my opinion. If you have a bad battery or motor you’ll know by then.

Sorry if this was covered somewhere already, but say if a battery won't completely fail or die, does the efficiency (and in the real-world MPG city driving) slowly degrade over time to any significant degree? Like if a 2022 Maverick gets a true 40MPG or better city for the first few years, does it slowly drop to like 35MPG after 10 years or something? If the total charged capacity of the battery is slowly decreasing does that mean that it will not be able to be utilized as much, or do you think the capacity is engineered/motor is programmed with that kind of degradation in mind so that MPG remains relatively stable. I.e. it COULD be more efficient in the first few years, but they choose to program it to utilize less than full capacity to account for degradation? Hope that question makes sense.

 

[Lappo424]

Let's be real. Hybrids been on the market for years now. How many of them have you heard they had a bad battery

 

[FirstOnRaceDay]

Sorry if this was covered somewhere already, but say if a battery won't completely fail or die, does the efficiency (and in the real-world MPG city driving) slowly degrade over time to any significant degree? Like if a 2022 Maverick gets a true 40MPG or better city for the first few years, does it slowly drop to like 35MPG after 10 years or something? If the total charged capacity of the battery is slowly decreasing does that mean that it will not be able to be utilized as much, or do you think the capacity is engineered/motor is programmed with that kind of degradation in mind so that MPG remains relatively stable. I.e. it COULD be more efficient in the first few years, but they choose to program it to utilize less than full capacity to account for degradation? Hope that question makes sense.

Degeneration on hybrids isn’t as bad as EVs.
but typically if the hybrid power train dies it REALLY dies before that 100k miles.
my brother has a 2007 Prius with 130k miles and still can hit 60mpg+ Regularly. So I’m sure NEW it could hit 65-70. But that’s still amazing! So if the Maverick averages close to 40mpg new. At 100k miles I would expect 37-38 after 100k miles. Nothing to worry about.
the warranty does have a limit of some kind. (Percentage of life left) so if you get the hybrid I would get the battery checked out at 6.9 years or 99,000 miles to see if it’s over that bar.

 

[SuckLemons]

At 100k miles I would expect 37-38 after 100k miles. Nothing to worry about.

Nice that he still gets that gas mileage! My CT200h can still get 50 if I am mindful. If it’s super cold outside and I’m not minding it (sport mode, etc.) I’ll get 38. That’s awful for this car though. Typically gets around 45 though (without thinking about it). Warmer weather is better.

 

[FirstOnRaceDay]

Nice that he still gets that gas mileage! My CT200h can still get 50 if I am mindful. If it’s super cold outside and I’m not minding it (sport mode, etc.) I’ll get 38. That’s awful for this car though. Typically gets around 45 though (without thinking about it). Warmer weather is better.

Battery and motor tech has come a LONG way in ~10 years since that came out.

 

[SuckLemons]

Battery and motor tech has come a LONG way in ~10 years since that came out.

Totally. I am really excited about it!

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