25 MPG for Maverick EcoBoost 2.0L AWD, 1 MPG Less Than FWD

[es7129]

Sure, but you could have also gone for the XL with Hybrid and saved the $$ again. It's all cost:benefit, and it only makes sense to calculate those costs and benefits in isolation of other variables.

The OPs point wasn’t that that hybrid is more cost efficient, but that the Ecoboost’s fuel efficiency was abysmal.
I neither built nor ordered an XL hybrid. I did build the two trims & configurations I mentioned and ordered the XLT hybrid.

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[clippedwings]

Take my comments about being responsible for what MPG you get, by being conscious of what your foot is doing, with a grain of sand. This is generically true across the board, but other factors intrude upon the bottom line For each of us. We all have a sweet spot between mileage, capability, and enjoyment, that fits our needs/desires. For many of us a vehicle is a necessary tool. MPG can’t be the only determining factor.

 

[CASD57]

1) The Chevy smallblock is one of if not the best most efficient V8s on the planet that has cylinder deactivation technology (well they call it active fuel management, same thing)
2) The Camaro is an aerodynamic two door sports car with a small frontal area

Trucks have the aerodynamics of a barn door. Put that ecoboost in a Prius with appropriate super tall gearing, and I bet it would blow you away. Thats part of the reason that Teslas get decent range, they spend a ton of time in a wind tunnel.

The AFM system is bomb waiting to go off and take out your cam..roller rockers etc.., it causes oil consumption...and a number of other crap
my AFM Chevy truck gets 13.5mpg and that’s coasting up to lights, coasting down hills....that’s trying to keep it in V4 as much as possible
it. Is why I won’t buy another Chevy that has it....it’s a joke
i used a AFM deleter for 3 months and I avg 14.5 ....I sold it knowing I’ll be trading in this truck soon

 

[vap0rtranz]

The $4500 cost of AWD @ 6% annual return could be turned into more than $8000 over 10 years of Maverick ownership

Return?? Unless the Mav will be a Classic collectible in 10 years, there's no ROI in asset value. New cars depreciate like mad.

Do you mean ROI in operational savings? Like savings in gas?

my experience with turbo charged engines makes me scared to buy the 2.0

What's your experience?

The 1.5L from Ford does have some mechanics worried but that may be from owner abuse. But the 2.0L and larger displacement Ecoboosts don't have major failure. There's some minor, annoying maintenance, like Ford turbo gaskets known to prematurely fail and leak coolant, owners preferring to change engine oil faster than the book says, some debate about whether walnut blasting is needed to cleanup from the injectors, etc. But no major failures in the 2.0L that I've seen/heard.

(Personally, I think there's too little information about reliability of 8F35 8-speed tranny -- other than it's dervied from that GM-Ford joint project that fell apart.)

But frankly, I have to clue so I'd welcome anyone more informed to chime in.

Yea, same. I'm not following "more efficient ... power". The scientific way to do that test is to get both models on a dyno, have both engines output the same horsepower, and see which sucks less gas. And like you said, the EPA doesn't do that type of testing. Their testing is various speeds, stopping, accelerating, for some period of time; regardless of power. So this is anyone's guess. What we can say is that at 60mph (I believe that's still max speed of the EPA's highway test run*), the EB will suck more gas than the Hybrid.

The OPs point wasn’t that that hybrid is more cost efficient, but that the Ecoboost’s fuel efficiency was abysmal.

Then the OP doesn't know average MPGs for mid-sized trucks. 22/23MPG is considered the ceiling. Getting 29/30MPG was achieved by like 1 mid-sized truck (I think it was a RWD Chevy) that's not on the market anymore.

The EB #s are great for a truck. Not abysmal.

* https://www.epa.gov/vehicle-and-fuel-emissions-testing/dynamometer-drive-schedules

 

[brnpttmn]

The OPs point wasn’t that that hybrid is more cost efficient, but that the Ecoboost’s fuel efficiency was abysmal.
I neither build nor ordered an XL hybrid. I did build the two trims & configurations I mentioned and ordered the XLT hybrid.

Fair enough. My post was an observation based on my analysis of the hybrid's greater efficiency across driving scenarios (including 19% greater efficiency with 90% highway miles).

 

[brnpttmn]

Return?? Unless the Mav will be a Classic collectible in 10 years, there's no ROI in asset value. New cars depreciate like mad.

Do you mean ROI in savings? Like savings in gas?

Sorry if I wasn't clear. I'm talking about the literal return on investment for the $4500 you have to pay for the EB + AWD. There's an opportunity cost in spending money.

 

[Ron Neal]

Everyone has their reason for buying a Hybrid or Eco boost. I appreciate both camps but for me the tow package is more important than fuel mileage so I am quite happy with 25 combined and it will be less when towing but thats OK.

 

[hcforde]

Not for me. I ordered an XLT hybrid but had I gone with an AWD Ecoboost I would’ve ordered an XL with 360.
The difference between a hybrid and an AWD Ecoboost is only about $3300 when comparing with the same trim/equipment. I’d bet the XL AWD Ecoboost is worth more than the XLT hybrid in 10 years.

Will it be worth $3300 more?

 

[hcforde]

Sorry if I wasn't clear. I'm talking about the literal return on investment for the $4500 you have to pay for the EB + AWD. There's an opportunity cost in spending money.

I like and understand what you ae saying but how many people really understand what '"opportunity cost" is unless they took economics or marketing an enjoyed the subject?

 

[es7129]

Will it be worth $3300 more?

It wouldn’t need to be. The difference between an awd XL and an XLT hybrid is about $1000. The difference between equally built Ecoboost & hybrid trucks is about $1000.

 

[hcforde]

Everyone has their reason for buying a Hybrid or Eco boost. I appreciate both camps but for me the tow package is more important than fuel mileage so I am quite happy with 25 combined and it will be less when towing but thats OK.

For me the 4000lb limit was not enough, So I will get a Nissan Frontier that will have similar mileage but a 6700lb limit.

That being said I changed my Maverick order to a hybrid.

AS you pointed out everyone has their reason, neither of which are bad or better than the alternative for the proper purpose of the purchase.

 

[brnpttmn]

Will it be worth $3300 more?

It's actually about $4500 to add AWD from the base hybrid.

And if we're talking about better payout after 10 years there's no comparison. The AWD would have to sell for $10K-15K more than the hybrid break even based on the following...
$4500 initial investment (added cost of AWD over the Hybrid)
$3500 opportunity cost (i.e., losing out on the time-value of the initial investment based on 6% return)
$5000 gas consumption (based on $15k/year using regular in both )

 

[hcforde]

It wouldn’t need to be. The difference between an awd XL and an XLT hybrid is about $1000. The difference between equally built Ecoboost & hybrid trucks is about $1000.

re-read his post and the comparison---take the argument up with him, not me!

 

[es7129]

It's actually about $4500 to add AWD from the base hybrid.

And if we're talking about better payout after 10 years there's' no comparison. The AWD would have to sell for $10K-15K more than the hybrid break even based on the following...
$4500 initial investment (added cost of AWD over the Hybrid)
$3500 opportunity cost (i.e., losing out on the time-value of the initial investment based on 6% return)
$5000 gas consumption (based on $15k/year using regular in both )

Adding awd is not $4500. When you build it the cost redundancy of the required Ecoboost is removed.

 

[brnpttmn]

I like and understand what you ae saying but how many people really understand what '"opportunity cost" is unless they took economics or marketing an enjoyed the subject?

You're probably right....

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