Elephant in room: Around 80% of orders are Hybrids.

[huunvubu]

There is no right answer for all… at 10000 per year the difference between 40 mpg and 30 mpg is only about 83 gallons. At $4 per gallon that’s only $333 per year. Pretty small difference in my opinion

Funny how some people if they saw $333 dollars laying on the ground would not pick it up.

I guess they would only bend over to pick it up if it was at least $1000

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[Barracuda340]

it all depends on what you want. I wanted AWD and a towing package, so I went with an ecoboost My daily driver gets 25mpg now so 29 suits me just fine. I average 8-9K for travel to and from work per year. I plan on souping it up a bit anyways. Apparently when you make it more efficient your mileage figures go up. Apparently theres s guy with a souped up 4K tow pak XL knocking down 13 second quarter mile times and getting 39mpg highway. That's the route I will be going.

 

[jsus]

Funny how some people if they saw $333 dollars laying on the ground would not pick it up.

I guess they would only bend over to pick it up if it was at least $1000

$333 per year of ownership.

On top of upfront expenditures of, for 2022, $435-$1085 at MSRP for the EB upgrade, and then the 4k tow and/or FX4 upgrades that have been discussed.

In that hypothetical scenario, that's thousands spent that many of us would see no benefit from.

Meanwhile, my main annoyance with my Escape Hybrid is that it's not at least PHEV if not BEV, so I can only drive small distances at a time electric-only. Mind you, it's an AWD Hybrid, which you can't get on a Maverick...

 

[Barracuda340]

$333 per year of ownership.

On top of upfront expenditures of, for 2022, $435-$1085 at MSRP for the EB upgrade, and then the 4k tow and/or FX4 upgrades that have been discussed.

In that hypothetical scenario, that's thousands spent that many of us would see no benefit from.

Meanwhile, my main annoyance with my Escape Hybrid is that it's not at least PHEV if not BEV, so I can only drive small distances at a time electric-only. Mind you, it's an AWD Hybrid, which you can't get on a Maverick...

Maybe you and others, but not me. Almost everything own is a performance vehicle. What I ordered will be no exception. I just can't leave well alone. I went for the AWD and optional gear ratio the 4K has for a bit more spirited acceleration, not to pull a trailer, although that's a bonus. The bigger bonus is the heavier duty axle shafts, bigger radiator and auxiliary trans cooler. Gonna be a fun/fast day driver. I prefer boost to a battery. But then again that's me. My preference.

 

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Don't forget that the Hybrid will likely hold its value a lot better than the EB for the purposes of resale or trade-in. And they're cheaper to buy (at MSRP) than an AWD Ecoboost.

 

[Impetus19]

I'm starting to second guess my initial assumption that Ford took in over 100k 2023 Maverick orders...

If you check out the order tracker on this forum, we are tracking ~7,000 2022 Orders and only a little over 500 2023 orders (with several usernames showing multiple 2023 orders).

At 7,000 2022 orders, that's roughly 6% of overall 2022 production. Only tracking 500 2023 orders at this point either means we are somehow a much smaller sample (likely not even 1%), or Ford didn't really take that many orders before shutting things down... I expect more orders to go into that tracker as time goes, but we're not tracking anywhere close to 2022 numbers at this point. At the same time, LM alone took in more 2023 orders than this forum is tracking, so I dunno lol

There is also only like 600 responses to the Ecoboost vs Hybrid poll... not a lot considering how many orders were supposedly taken. I also wonder how people even knew the order window was opening since the dealers i called did not know until well after it was announced on here.

Still having a hard time believing there were 100k people waiting to put orders in on the first couple of days. Wonder if we are over estimating the orders due to a lot of dealers not entering any.

 

[jsus]

Maybe you and others, but not me. Almost everything own is a performance vehicle. What I ordered will be no exception. I just can't leave well alone. I went for the AWD and optional gear ratio the 4K has for a bit more spirited acceleration, not to pull a trailer, although that's a bonus. The bigger bonus is the heavier duty axle shafts, bigger radiator and auxiliary trans cooler. Gonna be a fun/fast day driver. I prefer boost to a battery. But then again that's me. My preference.

My post does not indicate that nobody benefits from the EB, from 4K tow or FX4.

It indicates that many people do not, and they realize that. They realize that there is no tangible benefit to the added expense and fuel consumption of the EB over a hybrid. That's before even looking into long-term reliability comparisons, which may well tilt in favor of the hybrids.

You don't need to defend your preferences. Nor do I need to defend mine.

 

[MLowe05]

My post does not indicate that nobody benefits from the EB, from 4K tow or FX4.

It indicates that many people do not, and they realize that. They realize that there is no tangible benefit to the added expense and fuel consumption of the EB over a hybrid. That's before even looking into long-term reliability comparisons, which may well tilt in favor of the hybrids.

100%.

I will never tow, never off-road, and I have no need for AWD. I've also owned my share of performance vehicles, and the Maverick is not one in any way, shape, or form regardless of the trim/engine/drivetrain.

After selling both our Mercedes and our Porsche in 2020, I wanted to go to something no more than half the price of those two, fuel efficient, and utilitarian for a change. I didn't even know the Maverick was a thing. Now here I am having waited nearly a year for it.

 

[Impetus19]

I ordered the hybrid because that's where i am right now... but part of me (25 yr old me) would love to pick up an EB and tune it and have fun!

 

[mtd14]

Funny how some people if they saw $333 dollars laying on the ground would not pick it up.

I guess they would only bend over to pick it up if it was at least $1000

It’s $333/year for the benefits people get for ordering EB. It’s not like it’s the exact same vehicle and some people are choosing to spend $333/year plus the costs of packages for no reason. Between AWD, towing, and being likelyto receive your Maverick, it’s pretty easy for plenty of people to validate that cost.

 

[jsus]

It’s $333/year for the benefits people get for ordering EB. It’s not like it’s the exact same vehicle and some people are choosing to spend $333/year plus the costs of packages for no reason. Between AWD, towing, and being likelyto receive your Maverick, it’s pretty easy for plenty of people to validate that cost.

Those who desire the performance of the EB and additionally the capability of AWD, FX4, 4k tow know that and aren't shopping for a hybrid.

Those who end up with an EB whose use case would be covered by a hybrid would be spending extra money for no benefit to them to go with the EB. Thus, yes, to them, it's $333/yr (under these hypothetical conditions) for literally no benefit.

 

[LushRoller]

There is also only like 600 responses to the Ecoboost vs Hybrid poll... not a lot considering how many orders were supposedly taken. I also wonder how people even knew the order window was opening since the dealers i called did not know until well after it was announced on here.

Still having a hard time believing there were 100k people waiting to put orders in on the first couple of days. Wonder if we are over estimating the orders due to a lot of dealers not entering any.

I'm starting to think this as well. Like I said in another thread:

This is why I'm skeptical of the claims of huge numbers of orders beyond what Ford can produce. Between all the instances of people who were assured their '22 order would roll over automatically to find out after the deadline that it didn't, and people who weren't rollovers but believed they submitted an order to find out their dealer didn't due to laziness I suspect the numbers might not be quite as high as we fear.

 

[mtd14]

Those who desire the performance of the EB and additionally the capability of AWD, FX4, 4k tow know that and aren't shopping for a hybrid.

Those who end up with an EB whose use case would be covered by a hybrid would be spending extra money for no benefit to them to go with the EB. Thus, yes, to them, it's $333/yr (under these hypothetical conditions) for literally no benefit.

The benefit is getting your car. If you went for a EB order in January last year instead of waiting for a hybrid this year, you saved $2200 on MSRP for the XL, so the first 6-7 years of that $333 is covered. No guarantee we don’t see the same in 2024. Assign the financial value as you see fit, but it certainly ain’t zero.

 

[Barracuda340]

Those who desire the performance of the EB and additionally the capability of AWD, FX4, 4k tow know that and aren't shopping for a hybrid.

Those who end up with an EB whose use case would be covered by a hybrid would be spending extra money for no benefit to them to go with the EB. Thus, yes, to them, it's $333/yr (under these hypothetical conditions) for literally no benefit.

And that is why if my wife likes my maverick when I get it, we will be considering a hybrid for her. She does mostly around town low speed stop n go. In inclement weather days, she stays home. Myself it's all highway driving, and in my case they dont give us snow days. If you dont make it on time it becomes a problem. Besides adding the performance of AWD turbo, it will add surefootedness in the snow. I cant wait to tweak it and make it faster.

 

[jsus]

The benefit is getting your car. If you went for a EB order in January last year instead of waiting for a hybrid this year, you saved $2200 on MSRP for the XL, so the first 6-7 years of that $333 is covered. No guarantee we don’t see the same in 2024. Assign the financial value as you see fit, but it certainly ain’t zero.

You're missing the entire point here. @LakeCamelot was questioning the popularity of hybrid over EB, amongst other similar posts.

Of course it's going to be popular. Originally starting at $21.5k after destination for a brand new compact truck with a usable bed, ability to tow 2,000 lb, oh, and 40 mpg city. Of course that's going to be popular.

As I've said already, there are some who need/want the power of the EB. The reality is that a lot of us don't inherently value that. Some do, so you have that option, which is great.

It's a completely separate manner to analyze the ability to obtain a Maverick hybrid. As part of the benefit of a hybrid is the lower upfront cost (for 22, not for 23) and the lower ongoing costs, when you end up paying a higher markup on a hybrid, the math gets more complicated.

As to your point about paying a higher MSRP for 23, that doesn't really hold water. Had you ordered a 22 Hybrid that remains unscheduled, you'll get a $2,750 PCO toward your 23 Maverick. You could've switched to EB for your 23 order in hopes of getting it sooner (since the cost is the same now), and still get your higher $2750 PCO.

In my case, if I were in a spot of choosing to get an EB over a hybrid for availability, that wouldn't change my preference. I'd still wish it was a hybrid, but accept that I needed to take what was available.

As it is, when my last car was totaled, I had to buy an interim vehicle until I could receive what I ordered.

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