Elephant in room: Around 80% of orders are Hybrids.

[Old Ranchero]

True, but if you take care of it, it wont depreciate (or have a bunch of issues/recalls). Even a Ranger would be a good alternative.

only true if somebody thinks a MID-size body on frame truck is directly comparable to a compact Maverick.

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[Hdang1980]

I think we should start referring to them as "attempted orders". Calling them orders gives the misplaced confidence that they will be filled.

I suggest "lottery ticket".

 

[Nitroade28]

The increased allocation and availability of AWD is why I finally flipped and went to Ecoboost.

 

[Burch20]

I don't want to trigger anyone or play the troll. But I've thought from the start that the base hybrid was a loss-leader and a compliance car. I don't expect Ford to ever offer it beyond a limited quantity each year. I should add I have zero evidence to support that claim.

If I'm right, then you folks who are buying hybrids are going to have a very valuable commodity in your garages. A car a lot of people want to buy but can't. Because Ford will only make 50,000 of them each year for the next few years.

I repeat that I have zero evidence to support that claim.

This actually makes a ton of sense. With the new MPG regulations, companies will need something to serious outliers to drag down their average. A 42 MPG offsets a 18 MPG when they're 1:1. If the regulation was based on total production it would be way more difficult but that would be difficult to enact. IMHO, you're right on the money.

 

[Squanch_Lopez]

The increased allocation and availability of AWD is why I finally flipped and went to Ecoboost.

Correct me if I'm wrong but AWD makes even more sense in 23 since EB is no charge and price for adding AWD is lower than it was for the 22

 

[MoonJelly]

My dealer told me if this year is similar to the last I will probably be waiting 6-9 months for mine.

I know that is a deal-breaker for some, but I'm willing to wait longer than that if needed. My commuter car is a PHEV with a 7-gallon tank that usually goes about 2-3 months between fill-ups (~3,500 miles in that time). Including the cost of charging at home, it's about $45/month for fuel with an 84-mile round trip 4 days a week.

So the hybrid would actually be a step down in efficiency, but I'm not replacing my car, just adding a 2nd. My PHEV cars (Honda Clarity which replaced a Prius Prime) got me hooked on chasing max mpg...and the Mav is the best value for a truck/SUV that gets anywhere near it. The next best choice is the Wrangler PHEV and you might as well tack 20k to the price-tag, so too much diminishing returns for me.

I hope that in the 24 or 25MY they do offer AWD hybrids. I know a PHEV prototype was also spotted earlier this year.

 

[Quagmyr]

I ordered a hybrid, but now I have done everyone who ordered one a favor and switched to a Tremor. Now that they don't have to build my hybrid they can build someone else's. You're Welcome!!!!!

My XLT Tremor will be slightly more expensive than the fully loaded Lariat Hybrid I originally ordered (thanks to the lack of the private offer applying to the Tremor) but it is really what I want. I don't need a Tremor, but I just like how it looks and I want it. So, here we are. Maybe it will actually get made this [model] year.

I am sure someone already informed you but private offers from Ford will not apply to Tremor. I am pretty sure that Tim Bartz stated that, you might want to research it.

 

[Milqueman]

The other thing to consider here is that maybe Ford learned from there mistakes from last year.

From what I understand, pretty much every Maverick built last year was for retail orders. Sure there were a few made for fleets and demos, but I don't remember seeing any stock orders sitting on lots (unless they were cancelled retail orders, but those were not original stock orders) So, what I'm saying, minus fleet and demos, 100% of all orders were for retail orders for customers.

With all that being said, maybe.. just maybe.. Ford had an internal (no public knowledge) cap on retail orders for MY23. Lets use some totally hypothetical numbers here and say that they plan to build 120,000 Mavericks for MY23. And they put a pre-determined cap at 50% or 60,000 retail orders. They have already said that there will be Stock orders available for dealerships to put on their lots, after the order banks close, so this is not a far fetched idea. So, they planned to close the order banks after this cap was reached, which took all of 5 days. If 80% of the retail orders are Hybrids and 20% EB's, that means that the remaining 60,000 (50%) of the builds can all be EB's and the numbers will work out.

120,000 - Total builds
60,000 - Retail
60,000 - Stock

REATIL ORDERS:
60,000 x 80% (Hybrid, Retail) = 48,000 Hybrids
60,000 x 20% (EB, Retail) = 12,000 EB

STOCK ORDERS:
60,000 X 100% (EB, Stock) = 60,000 EB

that equals:

48,000 Hybrids - TOTAL (40% of the total)
72,000 EB - TOTAL (60% of the total)

60%/40% is close to the 35%/65% numbers that have been thrown around, so my numbers may be a little off, but I did say that they are hypothetical and were used only show my point that maybe the future Stock orders will ALL be EB and even the numbers out.

 

[DavesMav]

I am sure someone already informed you but private offers from Ford will not apply to Tremor. I am pretty sure that Tim Bartz stated that, you might want to research it.

The person you quoted seems pretty aware, they had this in the exact post that you quoted:

(thanks to the lack of the private offer applying to the Tremor)

 

[xplorguy]

I think this is a safe assumption, admittedly not knowing their production plan. My rough guess is they plan to produce 35% hyrbids each month and 65% EB each month, to keep part purchasing even across the year.

If we pretend they took 120k orders and plan to produce 120k in a year for easy maths, they would produce 3.5k hybrids a month and 6.5k EBs. Assuming 80/20 (96k/24k orders) holds true for Hybrid vs EB, it would mean all the EBs get their orders in the first 4 months while only 44% of Hybrid orders have been fulfilled come the end of the year.

Other constraints will play into it, but assuming level production planning and some production numbers that would be the outcome. Also assuming they took as many orders as they could product on a total basis, and not that they're stopping it early because they hit their hybrid quota or anything along those lines.

Using your assumptions, Dealers will end up with a lot of EB's to sell and a big percentage of Hybrid orders will not be built. For 2024 model year there will be a new race to order and build a Plug in version of the Mav......

 

[Nitroade28]

Correct me if I'm wrong but AWD makes even more sense in 23 since EB is no charge and price for adding AWD is lower than it was for the 22

Bingo

 

[Landric]

I am sure someone already informed you but private offers from Ford will not apply to Tremor. I am pretty sure that Tim Bartz stated that, you might want to research it.

Yes, that is true. The "good news" is that now I don't have to worry about whether or not Ford will mess up my private offer and I won't get one anyway.

My Hybrid order was a Lariat. My Tremor order is an XLT. The price for the Lariat minus the private offer was within a couple hundred dollars of the Tremor XLT without it. I don't get as many cool gadgets with the XLT but I can live with that. The Lariat Tremor with all the packages was just more than I wanted to spend.

 

[xplorguy]

Indiana is like that too. Kind of sucks and i don't understand why they are penalizing people who buy hybrids

All about the fuel tax dollars...they take in less if you are driving a fuel efficient vehicle.

 

[J_Garn]

This is exactly why I ordered EB. I wanted the hybrid, but my car doesn't have too much longer and I see a very, very low likely I could get a Hybrid XLT anytime before Spring of '24. Clearly the majority number of orders are for hybrids, and I have no doubt the majority of carryover '22 orders are also hybrid. And that doesn't even include gov and other large fleet orders, also likely for hybrids. As nice as it would be for a big jump in MPG savings, that means nothing if I cant' get the vehicle.

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