15% Ethanol Fuel? [LOCKED DUE TO POLITICS]

[PlantMan]

The impact moving from E10 to E15 seems negligible, but certainly not a cost savings. I have run E85 in my flex fuel F-250 and the mileage dropped about 25%. E85 used to be significantly cheaper than E10 in my area, but no more.

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[scottp01]

I've run 88 octane E-15 in my 14 Fiesta for about 70% of the total fuel run through it. I've had zero issues with the engine (the rest of the car is another story ). I actually get about a 1-2 MPG over regular unleaded. Granted it's not turbocharged, but I plan on running E-15 in my Maverick, as long as the engine doesn't knock.

 

[Rob Cactus Gray]

Not me. First I don't like ethanol period let alone 15%. When they are predicting food shortages already then plan to use more of our food and feed source for fuel, that is not smart. Drill baby drill and get the oil pipe lines back on track ASAP.

Oh yeah, because we need inedible corn . I grew up in Nebraska, you don’t want to eat that shit.

The US's farming capacity outstrips food demand by such colossal margins its almost comical. It's arguably one of the reasons we started using ethanol as fuel in the first place - What else are we going to do with all this capacity? We're already the #1 food exporter. How much soy bean can you actually push on the international market before foreign nations start getting really cross with you?

Give them all that estrogen we’re just asking for trouble.

 

[ShadowBlack XL440]

Oh yeah, because we need inedible corn . I grew up in Nebraska, you don’t want to eat that shit.



Give them all that estrogen we’re just asking for trouble.

Inedible corn? Do you mean field corn? The kind that livestock eat? Personally, I would rather have food than poorer quality fuel from corn. Beef, diary products, chicken, and eggs, sure will miss all that when there is no feed for them.

 

[bombast]

Inedible corn? Do you mean field corn? The kind that livestock eat? Personally, I would rather have food than poorer quality fuel from corn.

Under no circumstance will you ever be reduced to eating field corn, unless you move to Mexico. There is no growing constraint in the US, and I'm not sure why you think this is an either/or thing. Rush Limbaugh is dead, who's telling you this junk now?

Pretty much the only alternative for farmland currently used to make ethanol at the moment is a) paying farmers to not grow, again, or b) converting to corn smut. As a mushroom and fungus enthusiast I'd like b, but I understand why that isn't gonna happen.

 

[ShadowBlack XL440]

Under no circumstance will you ever be reduced to eating field corn, unless you move to Mexico. There is no growing constraint in the US, and I'm not sure why you think this is an either/or thing. Rush Limbaugh is dead, who's telling you this junk now?

Pretty much the only alternative for farmland currently used to make ethanol at the moment is a) paying farmers to not grow, again, or b) converting to corn smut. As a mushroom and fungus enthusiast I'd like b, but I understand why that isn't gonna happen.

Any idea where corn meal comes from and what it is used for? Corn syrup?
Have you heard of the fertilizer shortages and increased cost and lower projected yields?

 

[huunvubu]

Would you use it in your Maverick?
The owner's manual clearly states “do not use fuel with more than 15% ethanol”

Ethanol fuel has less energy than pure gas so going from 10% ethanol to 15% ethanol would give you less MPG's.

So to answer your question i would not use 15% ethanol if 10% ethanol was available.

Also since the owner's manual clearly states “do not use fuel with more than 15% ethanol” it seems to imply that using gas with more ethanol seems to increase risk so again NO I would not use it.

 

[teh603]

Any idea where corn meal comes from and what it is used for? Corn syrup?
Have you heard of the fertilizer shortages and increased cost and lower projected yields?

Even with projected yields lower, we're still not hurting for grain or oil. This whole "food crisis" business is just media hype so the commodities market fat cats can have an excuse to raise prices and fatten their wallets. Just like how gas prices rose in 2008 and this year.

It's all a standard pump- and- dump, with the end consumer having to pay the bill at the end. We're not hurting for grain or oil. We never have been.

 

[TheGriffin1313]

As a plant scientist & horticulturalist... ethanol is a pipe dream, unsustainable unless we go all GMO and it is susceptible to uncontrollable weather conditions when agriculture wells all thru the Midwest have been going dry for yrs now. Anytime you turn to a single crop (monoculture) you amplify the problems that crop has. An example is Loropetallum shrubs, if you have ever been to FL you will see these purple, red-ish leave plants. Back in 2000 there were not that many Loro's but as more and more were planted their susceptibility to mites became known. Now every Aug/Sept the problem is a well known issue requiring spraying because the # of Loro's in the environment has increased by millions. Asian longhorn beetle, Dutch elm disease are other ex of how a living crop is decimated by a single change. We can not control our environment sufficiently to guarantee that mass grown crops can be reliable for a fuel source.

If we take away the gas & oil subsidies & fine oil drillers for not using the thousands of permits they already have that they are not utilizing we can gain control over the industry. Right now they see the current environment as ripe for profit and they are not going to use the permits they have till we fine them. They don't need to ruin more land by getting more permits they need to open the ones they have unused. Also the pro self reliance on US oil alone people do t also tell you American oil industry workers are the highest paid in the world, relying on American only oil will be more expensive than what we pay now.

Truth talk like this may get you banned in the social estalons of society.
you are 100 on all of what you said.


Plus mixing ethanol with aluminum components are a disaster in the making.
Older cars with all iron blocks and steel heads can consume ethanol with no corrosive effects to the internal components.

Fuel from any source has its sound bites and a community that gets bent out of shape when the perceived livelihood of that community is called out in public.

wait till there is a community that is built on mining Lithium they will ban Nervana too.

 

[olderbudwiser]

As a plant scientist & horticulturalist... ethanol is a pipe dream, unsustainable unless we go all GMO and it is susceptible to uncontrollable weather conditions when agriculture wells all thru the Midwest have been going dry for yrs now. Anytime you turn to a single crop (monoculture) you amplify the problems that crop has. An example is Loropetallum shrubs, if you have ever been to FL you will see these purple, red-ish leave plants. Back in 2000 there were not that many Loro's but as more and more were planted their susceptibility to mites became known. Now every Aug/Sept the problem is a well known issue requiring spraying because the # of Loro's in the environment has increased by millions. Asian longhorn beetle, Dutch elm disease are other ex of how a living crop is decimated by a single change. We can not control our environment sufficiently to guarantee that mass grown crops can be reliable for a fuel source.

If we take away the gas & oil subsidies & fine oil drillers for not using the thousands of permits they already have that they are not utilizing we can gain control over the industry. Right now they see the current environment as ripe for profit and they are not going to use the permits they have till we fine them. They don't need to ruin more land by getting more permits they need to open the ones they have unused. Also the pro self reliance on US oil alone people do t also tell you American oil industry workers are the highest paid in the world, relying on American only oil will be more expensive than what we pay now.

There ya go using facts and common sense. You just ruined a pipe dream.

 

[dalola]

Heck, I'm still hoping for an E85 perf tune for the Mav......that otta be a real hoot!

 

[Maverickman74]

Im gonna take a shot at killin this thread:

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[Old Hickory Trojan]

As a plant scientist & horticulturalist... ethanol is a pipe dream, unsustainable unless we go all GMO and it is susceptible to uncontrollable weather conditions when agriculture wells all thru the Midwest have been going dry for yrs now. Anytime you turn to a single crop (monoculture) you amplify the problems that crop has. An example is Loropetallum shrubs, if you have ever been to FL you will see these purple, red-ish leave plants. Back in 2000 there were not that many Loro's but as more and more were planted their susceptibility to mites became known. Now every Aug/Sept the problem is a well known issue requiring spraying because the # of Loro's in the environment has increased by millions. Asian longhorn beetle, Dutch elm disease are other ex of how a living crop is decimated by a single change. We can not control our environment sufficiently to guarantee that mass grown crops can be reliable for a fuel source.

If we take away the gas & oil subsidies & fine oil drillers for not using the thousands of permits they already have that they are not utilizing we can gain control over the industry. Right now they see the current environment as ripe for profit and they are not going to use the permits they have till we fine them. They don't need to ruin more land by getting more permits they need to open the ones they have unused. Also the pro self reliance on US oil alone people do t also tell you American oil industry workers are the highest paid in the world, relying on American only oil will be more expensive than what we pay now.

Son in Law worked offshore for the Oil Companies drilling. Considering the risks associated with the job they are not overpaid at all. Paid $125k a year for the dangers associated with the job is cheap. When he worked in Deep water and had to be helicoptered to his rig was dangerous on it's own forget the other dangers associated with that when he worked offshore off Louisiana in shallow water the government under Obama slow walked permits. Lastly I would rather be oil dependant as we were rather then relying on foreign despots for being spoon fed our oil at their whim and pricing. Want to see a revived economy...drill.....and keep the Fed out if determining fines ...because unless you have data on the permits not being used based upon my experience this mess is all political ...

 

[CLH917]

Nope. Ethanol free for me.

 

[Old Hickory Trojan]

Ethanol fuel has less energy than pure gas so going from 10% ethanol to 15% ethanol would give you less MPG's.

So to answer your question i would not use 15% ethanol if 10% ethanol was available.

Also since the owner's manual clearly states “do not use fuel with more than 15% ethanol” it seems to imply that using gas with more ethanol seems to increase risk so again NO I would not use it.

I use neither in my vehicles unless when we travel in our RV we go places where only ethanol is available. Ethanol is garbage...and when you look into the process for making it you will find fossel fuel is an ingrediant that supplies power to the process.

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