400w 110v bed outlet added

[ArgleZ]

This is a fair statement for the 2.0 Ecoboost but the hybrid doesn't have an alternator. The 12v battery is charged by a DC to DC converter from the high voltage battery.

The provided 12v pigtails are only rated for 20 amps. A 400 watt inverter draws over 30 amps. It's always better to mount the inverter close to the 12 volt source. Especially for higher watt ratting inverters. A 150 watt inverter only draws about 12 amps but a 1000 watt inverter draws over 80 amps. A 1000 watt inverter would require 3 gauge wire. It would be difficult to run 3 gauge wire all the way from the battery to the inverter in the bed cubby. You could run a 200 wat inverter directly from the pigtails in the bed.
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Nicely explained, really appreciate the info.

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[MAVRICK]

Working on it. Read my replies

I don't have my Maverick yet but for those that have the in-cab OEM inverter option ... the inverter is a black box located in back of the rear seat on the drivers side. This inverter services either the in-cab inverter location and/or the bed inverter location. There are two thick wire bundles branching off of the inverter box - one goes to the in-cab location and the other to the bed location.

Has anyone looked inside the driver's side bed panel (either by removing the driver's side cubby cover panel and sticking a goose neck camera in there or shooting "night sight" pictures with a (phone) camera and/or shining a light and looking from under the truck) to see if the wire bundle coming from the inverter into the bed is simply attached/ terminated into a reachable position where it can be accessed and extended to reach the driver's side bed cubby opening. If it is, then it could simply be connected to the OEM cubby hole cover that has the plug outlet (plus the bed light) ... just wondering.

The 400W inverter is one and the same for in-cab and/or bed options, it simply provides one or two access points depending on which accessories options were purchased on the vehicle.

 

[Delbert]

I am following this and it has merged with the idea I had of using the truck as a generator maybe even a backup generator for the house. Certainly I would like to run power tools from the inverter and 300 watts is hardly enough.

There is a company called Plug-Out that provides a solar panel sized inverter that attaches to the traction battery which provides 2K watts from a Prius. Their system fills up the entire trunk of the car. I think there is a market for something that can turn all the power produced by motor generator 1 to a plug.

 

[ywstn]

Ordered the 400W for the bed on my Lariat. Came with it in the cab. Thursday Ford is installing it in the bed also.

 

[potatosalad]

Also following this thread as I want to extend the cab outlet to the bed. If the wiring is ran already that would be great. Anyone know how it currently connects to the actual bed outlet? I wonder if it's off that same yellow tape wire bundle with a wire connector. If it's already in there and just taped off/unused then we would be golden-although I suspect it can't be that easy.

 

[MAVRICK]

Ordered the 400W for the bed on my Lariat. Came with it in the cab. Thursday Ford is installing it in the bed also.

If possible, could you get a description from whoever is doing the work as to how are they going to accomplish this ... particularly interested to know if they are just reaching for a wire bundle that is sitting there unused, taped up, hidden somewhere and they are tapping that to make the connection into the cubby cover plate in the bed where the outlet is already available.

Perhaps a bit much to ask but if they can give you/ show you pictures of how they did it ... even better.

 

[Watchman]

I mentioned on another thread on this form that I am working on a system design for both the EB and the Hybrid models for the maximum size inverter based on utilizing stock equipment in both models. I am working with an engineer rather than just winging it. There will be no guessing - all technical information will be provided on this forum when finished.

I/we need some help from anyone out there who actually has a Hybrid or an EB and has the knowhow to get actual output amperage from the respective charging system. What is known are the formulas to calculate the inverter size but all numbers to enter into the calculation are not available. What we know is that the EB has a 190amp alternator but that's the output rated at 6000 RPMs. The Hybrid DC to DC converter to charge the 12v battery puts out 150 amps but again, at higher RPMs than at idle. The proposed design will be for a maximum wattage inverter while the engine is at idle so as to not damage the system. The EB system is pretty much cut and dry, just need the numbers. The Hybrid system will be a little more complexed to go beyond the 400 amp OEM inverter.

So here's what we need:

1. Output of both Hybrid and EB charging systems while @ idle.
(hoping to get 3-4 readings for each model to establish an average amperage)
2. Size of the OEM 12v battery in the 2.0 EB models (specs. & photo welcome)
(we have the info for the Hybrid battery thanks to members on the forum)

Thanks in advanced!

 

[huunvubu]

I ordered the in-cab 400 w inverter I also ordered the sliding rear window simply run the extension cord through the rear window but

I actually read this in threads from July and September:

Sliding rear window. Did you order it for your Maverick? Is it useful?

Should You Get the Rear Sliding Window ?

And I changed my order in the beginning of September to add the Outlet in the Cab and the Sliding Rear Window.

 

[wyouger]

I mentioned on another thread on this form that I am working on a system design for both the EB and the Hybrid models for the maximum size inverter based on utilizing stock equipment in both models. I am working with an engineer rather than just winging it. There will be no guessing - all technical information will be provided on this forum when finished.

I/we need some help from anyone out there who actually has a Hybrid or an EB and has the knowhow to get actual output amperage from the respective charging system. What is known are the formulas to calculate the inverter size but all numbers to enter into the calculation are not available. What we know is that the EB has a 190amp alternator but that's the output rated at 6000 RPMs. The Hybrid DC to DC converter to charge the 12v battery puts out 150 amps but again, at higher RPMs than at idle. The proposed design will be for a maximum wattage inverter while the engine is at idle so as to not damage the system. The EB system is pretty much cut and dry, just need the numbers. The Hybrid system will be a little more complexed to go beyond the 400 amp OEM inverter.

So here's what we need:

1. Output of both Hybrid and EB charging systems while @ idle.
(hoping to get 3-4 readings for each model to establish an average amperage)
2. Size of the OEM 12v battery in the 2.0 EB models (specs. & photo welcome)
(we have the info for the Hybrid battery thanks to members on the forum)

Thanks in advanced!

I have been working on the exact same issue. You are right. All calculations are based on the capacity or the "alternator". In this case the DC to DC converter. There are many opinions as to what is the maximum inverter you can use but I too prefer to do the math.

 

[Automate]

The Hybrid DC to DC converter to charge the 12v battery puts out 150 amps but again, at higher RPMs than at idle. The proposed design will be for a maximum wattage inverter while the engine is at idle so as to not damage the system. ... The Hybrid system will be a little more complexed to go beyond the 400 amp OEM inverter.

The Hybrid is simple, it's not dependent upon engine speed or even if the engine is running. The DC to DC converter gets its power from the 400V battery. The 150 amps at 12V corresponds to only around 5 amps from the 400V battery. The Hybrid cycles the ICE on an off to maintain the 400V battery as needed.

 

[Watchman]

I have been working on the exact same issue. You are right. All calculations are based on the capacity or the "alternator". In this case the DC to DC converter. There are many opinions as to what is the maximum inverter you can use but I too prefer to do the math.

We can all work on this -- I welcome any info you and other that can contribute.

Because the Hybrid doesn't use the 12v battery to power a starter the battery is very small. You already know an inverter converts 12v to 110v and constant depletion of the 12v battery will seriously shorten the live of that small battery. It must be charged through the DC converter and that comes from the 450v battery that runs the electric drive train. The challenge for the Hybrid is the DC to DC converter and the size of the battery.

I'm sure a few guys and gals just want 400w for simple small devices but I believe most want to power tools. Myself, I have about every 18v and 40v Ryobi cordless tool made so first of all I want the correct "type" of inverter for the chargers in addition to power an electric chainsaw during after a hurricane (been there done that) here in SWF. First I want to inform the members who are not aware that there are two types of inverters and depending on what your intended uses are, selecting the type to protect your device/equipment is essential.

Modified Sine Wave (MSW) also known as: Square, manufactured, and MSW, these inverters are less-expensive to produce and can function with most appliances. Utilizing a different waveform than the PSW, the MSW inverter allows average consumers an affordable alternative for DC to AC power conversion. Due to the square waveform, some appliances are not compatible with MSW inverters. MSW is not good for use with motors or heavy iron transformer devices.

Pure Sine Wave (PSW) also known as: Sine, PSW, Natural, and True Wave, it is the same waveform that comes out of your wall outlet in your house. The upside to this waveform is it is the cleanest and most efficient; It offers less cycling (in other words, it is less stressful to electronics), and is very stable. The down side to Pure sine wave inverters is that they cost substantially more than a modified sine wave inverters. I think Ford's OEM inverter is pure sine wave (PSW)- (needs confirmation).

 

[wyouger]

I don't have my Maverick yet but for those that have the in-cab OEM inverter option ... the inverter is a black box located in back of the rear seat on the drivers side. This inverter services either the in-cab inverter location and/or the bed inverter location. There are two thick wire bundles branching off of the inverter box - one goes to the in-cab location and the other to the bed location.

Has anyone looked inside the driver's side bed panel (either by removing the driver's side cubby cover panel and sticking a goose neck camera in there or shooting "night sight" pictures with a (phone) camera and/or shining a light and looking from under the truck) to see if the wire bundle coming from the inverter into the bed is simply attached/ terminated into a reachable position where it can be accessed and extended to reach the driver's side bed cubby opening. If it is, then it could simply be connected to the OEM cubby hole cover that has the plug outlet (plus the bed light) ... just wondering.

The 400W inverter is one and the same for in-cab and/or bed options, it simply provides one or two access points depending on which accessories options were purchased on the vehicle.

Another thread has the 110v inverter under the middle consol.

 

[MAVRICK]

Another thread has the 110v inverter under the middle consol.

That's just a physical location (A/C) access point where one of the wire bundles/ harnesses from the inverter box is routed to.

 

[wyouger]

That's just a physical location (A/C) access point where one of the wire bundles/ harnesses from the inverter box is routed to.

No. They were talking about the power inverter location.
There is a a thread titled, "Power Inverter Location?"

Can you provide a photo of the black box you are referring to?

From the other thread:

" Found the inverter location, it is the blue box in the picture attached to the floor under the center console "

 

[wyouger]

We can all work on this -- I welcome any info you and other that can contribute.

Because the Hybrid doesn't use the 12v battery to power a starter the battery is very small. You already know an inverter converts 12v to 110v and constant depletion of the 12v battery will seriously shorten the live of that small battery. It must be charged through the DC converter and that comes from the 450v battery that runs the electric drive train. The challenge for the Hybrid is the DC to DC converter and the size of the battery.

I'm sure a few guys and gals just want 400w for simple small devices but I believe most want to power tools. Myself, I have about every 18v and 40v Ryobi cordless tool made so first of all I want the correct "type" of inverter for the chargers in addition to power an electric chainsaw during after a hurricane (been there done that) here in SWF. First I want to inform the members who are not aware that there are two types of inverters and depending on what your intended uses are, selecting the type to protect your device/equipment is essential.

Modified Sine Wave (MSW) also known as: Square, manufactured, and MSW, these inverters are less-expensive to produce and can function with most appliances. Utilizing a different waveform than the PSW, the MSW inverter allows average consumers an affordable alternative for DC to AC power conversion. Due to the square waveform, some appliances are not compatible with MSW inverters. MSW is not good for use with motors or heavy iron transformer devices.

Pure Sine Wave (PSW) also known as: Sine, PSW, Natural, and True Wave, it is the same waveform that comes out of your wall outlet in your house. The upside to this waveform is it is the cleanest and most efficient; It offers less cycling (in other words, it is less stressful to electronics), and is very stable. The down side to Pure sine wave inverters is that they cost substantially more than a modified sine wave inverters. I think Ford's OEM inverter is pure sine wave (PSW)- (needs confirmation).

I have not seen anything official but based on the "You should not use the power outlet for
these types of electric devices:" list in the manual I think it is a MSW inverter

You should not use the power outlet for
these types of electric devices:
• Cathode ray tube type televisions.
• Motor loads, for example vacuum
cleaners, electric saws and other
electric power tools, or
compressor-driven refrigerators.
Measuring devices which process
precise data, for example medical
equipment or measuring equipment.
• Other appliances requiring an
extremely stable power supply, for
example microcomputer-controlled
electric blankets or touch sensor
lamps.

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