Latest Hybrid vs EcoBoost Comparison Showdown (The Fast Lane)

[sprubs]

bought my 23 hybrid XL for about $23K out the door. not sure what the eco-boost would have cost back then. I don't think the prices had separated very much at that time.

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[UpACurb]

If I cared about hearing the engine roar I would buy a sports car.

I love my fun car but doesnt work great for Home Depot runs and my wife's Explorer has too much stuff in the back lol

 

[MakinDoForNow]

Watched this one before work this morning, and while no surprises there, I could certainly see how saving a whole gallon every 100miles could easily cover the $1K price gap in just a year or two for many...

In my case in 50 months of ownership it computes to $973.00 plus about $1400.00 for base line mpg improvement adjustment from prior vehicle. (Only avg about 1100 miles per month.)

 

[Jasun]

Just posted today…

0:00 Intro
0:45 Fill It Up
4:13 Start the Loop
7:49 Under the Hood
9:50 Driving Update
11:53 Tires & Payload
13:25 MPG Update
15:21 Final MPG Results
20:53 Verdict

TFL does great real-world tests. Seeing the actual mileage numbers side-by-side makes it way easier to decide if the Hybrid savings beat the EcoBoost capability.

 

[HeyBales]

Was curious about the stats so finally got them.
These are the things I figured mattered to one or the other having a benefit.
I think we know which ones benefit the hybrid.
Or being equal, but could show up an improvement depending on what you get.
Current price increase merely for hybrid? $1000 stated in video? (was 1500 on 24MY)

AWD - warmer out - hills (some rolling, some just up/down) - a little city traffic, mostly highway with some traffic slowdowns.
$4.45/gal fuel 87 oct.

119.5 miles in 2:20 hr = 51.2 mph.

EB	Hybrid
3.674	2.696	gal
$16.35	$11.99	total
32.50	44.30	mpg
$0.1368	$0.1003	/mile

Hybrid saves $0.0365 / mile in this driving scenario at then current prices.

27,397 miles needed to break even with extra $1000 cost of truck.

If/when fuel price drops it takes more.
If state charges higher registration for hybrid takes more.
If driving scenarios not as good a MPG takes more.
If driving better MPG takes less.
Some maintenance cost differences way out in miles/time.

Please correct me as I rushed some of that after trying to find figures on video and confirm correct.

 

[RR - All the way]

Why the EB for me. 1. I drive only 10k miles/yr. 90 percent of my driving is country two lane or interstate roads. Gas mileage difference is much less than 11.8 mpg shown above. I have driven 36k miles in my EB; average gas mileage is a little over 30. I am guessing that a hybrid in the conditions I drive would not have gotten any more than 34. For my mileage that calculates to a plus 142 gallons saved by the hybrid. Even at today's gas prices in GA that is $650 which in not covering the 1K difference in initial cost. Investment of the 1K would have resulted in earning about $300 total for the last four years on average. 3. I have no battery concerns and no deep sleep messages. I park it and I know it will have enough power to start again with trickle chargers, etc.

IMHO, it all depends on miles driven and conditions in which those miles are driven............

 

[BAScott62]

Hybrid turns driving around town into a game, gotta regen it all!

 

[Mavster Mechanic]

Seeing the actual mileage numbers side-by-side makes it way easier to decide if the Hybrid savings beat the EcoBoost capability.

I don't understand what you are trying to say.

Can you name three things the EcoBoost can do that the hybrid can't?

Thank you.

1. accelerate 5% faster.....
2.
3.

Subjective things don't count.
Yours makes more sound. Great.
If I disconnect the speaker, I can drive away in the middle of the night undetected. Those things are subjective differences.

 

[Wahjahbvious]

Big "my kids don't talk to me anymore" energy in some of these comments.

 

[Cherokee]

EB	Hybrid
3.674	2.696	gal
$16.35	$11.99	total
32.50	44.30	mpg
$0.1368	$0.1003	/mile

Hybrid saves $0.0365 / mile in this driving scenario at then current prices.

Um, Missed one !
EB-——-——Hybrid————
Yes——-—- Not so much——- Fun Factor

 

[themartymac]

Was curious about the stats so finally got them.
These are the things I figured mattered to one or the other having a benefit.
I think we know which ones benefit the hybrid.
Or being equal, but could show up an improvement depending on what you get.
Current price increase merely for hybrid? $1000 stated in video? (was 1500 on 24MY)

AWD - warmer out - hills (some rolling, some just up/down) - a little city traffic, mostly highway with some traffic slowdowns.
$4.45/gal fuel 87 oct.

119.5 miles in 2:20 hr = 51.2 mph.

EB	Hybrid
3.674	2.696	gal
$16.35	$11.99	total
32.50	44.30	mpg
$0.1368	$0.1003	/mile

Hybrid saves $0.0365 / mile in this driving scenario at then current prices.

27,397 miles needed to break even with extra $1000 cost of truck.

If/when fuel price drops it takes more.
If state charges higher registration for hybrid takes more.
If driving scenarios not as good a MPG takes more.
If driving better MPG takes less.
Some maintenance cost differences way out in miles/time.

Please correct me as I rushed some of that after trying to find figures on video and confirm correct.

As your last bullet suggests, the obvious other items to factor in are mechanical maintenance costs over the same mileage.

1. Hybrids "should" significantly extend brake pad and rotor life as regen does a lot more of that work - full brake jobs are not cheap
2. Oil change intervals should go down a bit, and use less total oil and consumables in the smaller engine - not sure how that will actually play out...
3. Longevity and lifetime cost of repair for each engine and drivetrain still to be seen...
4. Tire life could go either way, with EV-optimized tires possibly costing more for those who choose that route, or longer life due to less hard braking-related wear?
5. Factoring in loss of efficiency due to climate zone is harder to calculate, but would certainly have some measurable affect for each individual. This will be good macro data over time...

Its going to be hard to really put a number down until a significant sample size of Mavericks hit say the 10-year old mark, and enough 200K+ miled trucks to reveal true reliability.

 

[Chops]

I don't understand what you are trying to say.

Can you name three things the EcoBoost can do that the hybrid can't?

Thank you.

1. accelerate 5% faster.....
2.
3.

Subjective things don't count.
Yours makes more sound. Great.
If I disconnect the speaker, I can drive away in the middle of the night undetected. Those things are subjective differences.

I chose an EB over Hybrid because:

1) Turbo Boost
2) Geared Transmission Shifting
3) Engine/Exhaust Mods

I also chose an EB because I did not want the added complexity of a Hybrid system - especially for a low mileage driver like myself.

 

[Mavster Mechanic]

I chose an EB over Hybrid because:

1) Turbo Boost
2) Geared Transmission Shifting
3) Engine/Exhaust Mods

I also chose an EB because I did not want the added complexity of a Hybrid system - especially for a low mileage driver like myself.

Thanks for participating.
Not sure why you responded to me.
I did not ask why you chose yours.

 

[babytruk]

Thanks for participating.
Not sure why you responded to me.
I did not ask why you chose yours.

1st… Gary is the OP of this thread so I’ll read his post. He likes the technically advanced turbo, an 8 speed significant gearbox, and engine/exhaust mods. So the simpler design over the battery and motor with basically a 2-piece trans.
I like the EB too, but no need to bring it down. I like how we are so polarized over our two great options.

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