Hybrid vs gasoline

[notfast]

I already own a ford maverick. fx4 gasoline was thinking of also buying a hybrid, I was wondering if it really saves you money by the time
you have to replace the hybrid battery at around
100;000 miles
hss anyone done the math on it
thsnx

Regardless of the battery replacement, if you're buying a second car mainly for the purpose to save money...you're going about it the wrong way. Some back-of-the-napkin math (12000 miles a year, $3 a gallon for gas, 50/50 city/hwy driving) shows that you'll save $500 a year on gas with a hybrid FWD versus an EB AWD.

If you bought a new hybrid FWD Maverick with no options for $30k OTD, it'll take 60 years to break even on the price of the car alone.

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[HeyBales]

Regardless of the battery replacement, if you're buying a second car mainly for the purpose to save money...you're going about it the wrong way. Some back-of-the-napkin math (12000 miles a year, $3 a gallon for gas, 50/50 city/hwy driving) shows that you'll save $500 a year on gas with a hybrid FWD versus an EB AWD.

If you bought a new hybrid FWD Maverick with no options for $30k OTD, it'll take 60 years to break even on the price of the car alone.

Throw in whatever the state likely charges extra for vehicle registration as a hybrid.

 

[Surly Old Bill]

if you need to replace your hybrid drive battery out of warranty, it would be about $2500 for average competence self-wrenchers, and $6000+ at a dealership disservice center. Somewhere in between at an independent repair shop.

Keep in mind that rebuilt and used parts are much cheaper, like a battery pack from a wrecked hybrid. It's possible to replace the hybrid battery pack for under $1500. Maybe even under $1000. Like the cost of a set of fancy, stranger-impressing tires.

That said, unless there's an accident that physically damages the battery pack, it's unlikely you'd ever have to replace it, assuming you only keep the Mav for 25 years. Most of the hybrid/EV battery paranoia is from urban myth stories generated and shared by people who are frightened of new technology; or as pranks to stoke the fires of willing gullibles. Kind of like how I recommend changing your oil every time you fill up with gas, to save money on repairs.

 

[Tbone289]

Can you post any links where you’ve “read” this?

It's probably on the same site that states that most turbos and 8F35's replacement costs need to be "factored in" in that timeframe.

One false statement deserves another, I guess.

 

[710-oil-614]

It's probably on the same site that states that most turbos and 8F35's replacement costs need to be "factored in" in that timeframe.

One false statement deserves another, I guess.

My comment was definitely tongue in cheek with the turbo and 8F35.

 

[Surly Old Bill]

Regardless of the battery replacement, if you're buying a second car mainly for the purpose to save money...you're going about it the wrong way. Some back-of-the-napkin math (12000 miles a year, $3 a gallon for gas, 50/50 city/hwy driving) shows that you'll save $500 a year on gas with a hybrid FWD versus an EB AWD.

If you bought a new hybrid FWD Maverick with no options for $30k OTD, it'll take 60 years to break even on the price of the car alone.

$3 is a very low price for gas. Going forward, $5-6 will be a more typical national average. (inflation plus rising relative gas prices due to...events).
My personal experience driving the Mav hybrid vs my Transit250(not Connect) is a 2/3 reduction of annual fuel cost, and I drive 20k a year. The fuel savings pays for more than half the car payment in comparison; if I still made payments.

But I completely agree, a vehicle is a TOOL, with purposes. It is an expense, not an investment. Get the right tool for thee job; don't try to use a screwdriver as a hammer.

That said, at the moment I think I'll buy a hybrid AWD in a year or so if there is a lull in price increases, and ship my '24 XL hybrid to Hawai'i to have at the house there (here; that's where I'm writing from at the moment). The old '07 X5 is hanging on, but not worth fixing if there is an expensive drivetrain failure. I suspect it will last a couple more years. The cost of shipping a car to HI from CA is $1500-2000. Of note: it's cheaper to buy a new car in the States and have it shipped to HI than it is to buy one here and pay the dealer mark-ups. Thousands of $ cheaper. They want $39k for an XLT Mav here on the Big Island. I'm sure they could be talked down to maybe $37k, but no less.

 

[Kenv24]

Regardless of the battery replacement, if you're buying a second car mainly for the purpose to save money...you're going about it the wrong way. Some back-of-the-napkin math (12000 miles a year, $3 a gallon for gas, 50/50 city/hwy driving) shows that you'll save $500 a year on gas with a hybrid FWD versus an EB AWD.

If you bought a new hybrid FWD Maverick with no options for $30k OTD, it'll take 60 years to break even on the price of the car alone.

Maybe a little truth to that, but I bought my Maverick just to get the ladies….

 

[Tbone289]

My comment was definitely tongue in cheek with the turbo and 8F35.

I understand that...

 

[babytruk]

The cost of shipping a car to HI from CA is $1500-2000. Of note: it's cheaper to buy a new car in the States and have it shipped to HI than it is to buy one here and pay the dealer mark-ups. Thousands of $ cheaper. They want $39k for an XLT Mav here on the Big Island. I'm sure they could be talked down to maybe $37k, but no less.

Matson refused to ship a hybrid (they may have changed that rule earlier this year). Had to go with CMA CGM in 2024 and there’s additional charge for hybrid (still a better deal than buying there).

 

[22XLThybrid]

I already own a ford maverick. fx4 gasoline was thinking of also buying a hybrid, I was wondering if it really saves you money by the time
you have to replace the hybrid battery at around
100;000 miles
hss anyone done the math on it
thsnx

I'd worry more about the turbo, the weak transmission on the EcoBoost and the Long-Term reliability of a direct injection engine with the EcoBoost. Sure. The hybrid is more complication but the engine just lumbers along and Is just a standard Port injected simple engine and the high voltage battery is liquid cooled. I've seen those with a couple hundred thousand miles on them and still going. On the old escapes the body would generally rot out first.

 

[Tbone289]

I've seen those with a couple hundred thousand miles on them and still going. On the old escapes the body would generally rot out first.

Likewise for 2.0 Ecoboosts with 6/8F35's. 8F35's tend to fail in vehicles that are not well maintained (fluid not regularly changed) and in early (pre-'22) Transit Connects for which a TSB was issued.

 

[Surly Old Bill]

I don't know about the ecoboost version in the Mav, but the 3.5l ecoboost in the Transit(not Connect) is well-known to have failures and maintenance problems, mainly due to the heat generated. A lot of warped exhaust manifolds as well as fried turbos. At some point will figure out how to have more reliable turbo systems. I like that they can generate that much HP with lower displacement.

But how much HP is enough? A little economy pickup like the Mav doesn't need much power, except as a marketing ploy to attract people trying to compensate for some...shortcomings. And the few people that want to tow a heavy trailer once in a while but have an economy pickup the rest of the time. Those who actually need more power all the time are better off to just buy an F150/250. We're in a transition period, electric motors have a lot more power, and 100% torque at all RPM. They are an obvious superior drivetrain with less maintenance, higher reliability, and lower "fuel" cost per mile coupled to all that HP. The main drawback at the moment being driving range and recharge time (no, you don't have to replace the batteries every year, not even every decade. EV batteries already have a minimum 8 year warranty). Range and charge time are improving exponentially right now, and I fully expect a 500 mile range and 15 minute full charge time (at a commercial high amp charging station) to be normal in about 5 years. Some vehicles will offer 1000+ mile range.

 

[Tall Hobbit]

Glad to hear all the confident replies about how reliable HVB and the rest of the hybrid parts are for the long term. I presume you know what you're talking about, because I haven't the smarts to dispute it.

Makes me wonder though, why my ESP through Granger would not give additional coverage of hybrid components for love or money. Of what are they scared?

 

[710-oil-614]

Glad to hear all the confident replies about how reliable HVB and the rest of the hybrid parts are for the long term. I presume you know what you're talking about, because I haven't the smarts to dispute it.

Makes me wonder though, why my ESP through Granger would not give additional coverage of hybrid components for love or money. Of what are they scared?

How long is your warranty?

 

[Tall Hobbit]

How long is your warranty?

8-yr 150k miles. On further examination, HVB is the only hybrid component Ford will not cover through an ESP.

Ford does not currently offer a specific or separate plan to hedge against hybrid battery replacement costs through Ford Protect. This means that unfortunately, for higher-mileage or older vehicles, coverage options for hybrid battery failure are very limited through Ford directly.

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