Slip sliding away

[Cherokee]

Typically the OEM tires will have less tread depth than retail versions of the same tire. That's usually the main difference.

Nope not so on the Michelin primacy, I checked that to with my trusty tire depth gage.
I’ll have an hour tomorrow at Ford getting my 2004 Escape’ serviced.

I’ll take my tire tread depth gage with me then Check a few depths at the tire shop. And I’ll look on a few manufacturers sites at the tread specs.

I don’t believe you on that one.

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[Lone Ridr]

R U sure ?
The Michelin Primacy’s that came on my 2024 Lariat are the exact same ones for sale at Walmart and Two other tire stores.

They work so well I just may replace my stock 225/60R18’s with
235/60R18’s of the same kind.

Thev same tires that are on my 2024 Lariat. The manufacturers will substitute tire and tread composition dependent on who gets the tire. Tires are subjective. I don't like Michelin. I replaced my wheels in February. I want to run the tread off the Michelins before replacing them. I had a set of Michelins that had cracked sidewalls at 30,000 miles and Michelin told me to "go fish." I haven't bot a set since, but 2 vehicle purchases had them on when I took delivery. Their time in my driveway was short-lived. As will my current set.

 

[JTBII]

It's snowing hard, had a out an inch already this morning. I was going to a car part swap meet. None of our roads have been plowed or salted. 24 eb/awd set to "slippery", factory tires with 11k on them. I spun on every corner even at 3 mph. I'm not getting how some in here claim it's so grippy in snow.

I have a 24 XLT EB AWD FX4 with the Perelli tires. I have went right through 2 6” snow and ice storms with a 30 degree grade driveway and have zero problems. The Mav just troopered right through it. Cars and SUV’s were off the road all along the roads. But my truck didn’t have one slip.
JTBII

 

[Toymaster]

It's snowing hard, had a out an inch already this morning. I was going to a car part swap meet. None of our roads have been plowed or salted. 24 eb/awd set to "slippery", factory tires with 11k on them. I spun on every corner even at 3 mph. I'm not getting how some in here claim it's so grippy in snow.

Three words. Tires. Tires. Tires.

The continentals you have suck in the snow. Mine have 600 miles on them and still suck. Due to El Nino this year the east side of the rockies have been warm and dry so far this year; just got some winter weather earlier this week, tried them out, was not impressed. I have a sets of all season and winter tires setting in the shop but needed to get a baseline on mpg before I make any changes to the maverick. The all seasons are on aftermarket rims and the winter tires will be on the factory steelies. I'll either sell all four and use the money to buy another tire for a spare or, one of the continentals will be kept for a spare and discard the rest.

 

[icegradner]

Nope not so on the Michelin primacy, I checked that to with my trusty tire depth gage.
I’ll have an hour tomorrow at Ford getting my 2004 Escape’ serviced.

I’ll take my tire tread depth gage with me then Check a few depths at the tire shop. And I’ll look on a few manufacturers sites at the tread specs.

I don’t believe you on that one.

I cannot speak for the Michelin tires on the Lariat, don't have one. The OEM Continentals had less tread depth than the retail version.

 

[dochawk]

I think y'all need to move a couple hundred miles south . .

 

[LSchicago]

Factory tires are dog crap. I've gotten rid of both of my sets within 1,000 miles. Get some good winter rated tires. I'm used to just driving RWD in the winter, so even FWD is pretty good. But I was able to get my AWD sideways once while over powering it. So they definitely can slip away from the Hybrid's torque.

 

[710-oil-614]

Nope not so on the Michelin primacy, I checked that to with my trusty tire depth gage.
I’ll have an hour tomorrow at Ford getting my 2004 Escape’ serviced.

I’ll take my tire tread depth gage with me then Check a few depths at the tire shop. And I’ll look on a few manufacturers sites at the tread specs.

I don’t believe you on that one.

Oh but it is true! I know you love to think buying a 2024 model off the dealership floor on 12/31/24 means yours is a unicorn - the OEM tires do not have as much tread depth as the ones consumers purchase.

 

[Pointyears]

Oh but it is true! I know you love to think buying a 2024 model off the dealership floor on 12/31/24 means yours is a unicorn - the OEM tires do not have as much tread depth as the ones consumers purchase.

Here's AI's take on that:
On new vehicles sold in the US, are the OEM tires the exact same as those models sold at retail (eg, tread depth, wear)

> Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) tires on new vehicles often differ in some
> ways from the same brand and model of tire sold at retail, even if they appear
> to be identical. Here are some key points about these differences:
>
> 1. **Tread Depth**: OEM tires may have shallower tread depths compared to retail
> versions. This can affect the tire's longevity but is often chosen by
> manufacturers to enhance initial performance attributes, such as ride comfort or
> fuel efficiency, according to the vehicle's design specifications.
>
> 2. **Compound and Construction**: While the tire model and brand might be the
> same, the rubber compound and internal construction can be tailored for the
> specific vehicle model by the car manufacturer. This can affect the tire's
> durability, rolling resistance, road noise, and grip.
>
> 3. **Performance Priorities**: OEM tires are selected to meet the vehicle
> manufacturer’s priorities, which may include ride comfort, noise reduction,
> handling, or fuel efficiency. As a result, their performance characteristics
> might differ from aftermarket (retail) versions, which may emphasize longer
> tread life or enhanced performance.
>
> 4. **Wear Patterns**: Due to differences in compounds and tread patterns, OEM
> tires may wear differently than their retail counterparts. Car manufacturers
> might prioritize tires that perform optimally in testing conditions over tires
> that will provide the longest lifespan.
>
> 5. **Identification**: OEM tires can sometimes be identified by unique markers
> or codes on the sidewall, indicating they are specifically designed for certain
> car manufacturers or models.
>
> When replacing OEM tires, many drivers opt for retail versions of the same tire
> model due to potentially longer tread life and different warranty offerings.
> However, selecting tires that align with your driving priorities is important,
> whether it’s maintaining original ride and handling characteristics or
> prioritizing other performance aspects. If maintaining original performance
> characteristics is critical, consulting with the dealership or tire
> professionals is recommended.

 

[Hot Runr Guy]

Oh but it is true! I know you love to think buying a 2024 model off the dealership floor on 12/31/24 means yours is a unicorn - the OEM tires do not have as much tread depth as the ones consumers purchase.

Looking only at the 225/65R-17 size, Michelin lists (3) OEM versions (Toyota, GM & Ford) all show 8.5/32nds tread depth, and no aftermarket (non-OEM) version

https://www.michelinman.com/auto/tires/michelin-primacy-all-season

HRG

 

[Lone Ridr]

I would be more worried about what you can't see: rubber composition. Twice over the years, I have had to upgrade tires because OEM tires were not available. Goodyear quit making tires for my 2008 Colorado. They were 15". The local Raben tire store told me the OEM were made specifically for Chevy for the Colorado and once their 5 year obligation expired, they discontinued them. In 2019, I had to take my wife to Boston for trachea surgery that required a minimum 30-day stay. I picked up a nail at night in Ohio on a Friday night where we had stopped for dinner. The tire would go completely flat in less than 4 hours, I aired it up every 2 hours and continued to our overnight hotel. The tire was completely flat Saturday morning. I aired it up, left wifey at the hotel and drove t a Goodyear store that I located on the internet. The tire was not repairable. The clerk said my 19 inch tires on the Lacrosse were rare and he could not find them in the catalog. He called Goodyear and was informed that they were factory OEMs and were discontinued. My tires were around 8 months old. I would have to replace two very good tires to keep the car tracking correctly. The clerk told me that he would have to order them and they would not be in the store until Monday as he was checking his inventory. To his amazement, he had two in stock that were special ordered and had not yet been returned to Goodyear. The new tire profile did not match the OEMs but I had no choice but to have the tires installed. I lost 4 hours travel time but we had planned an extra travel day and my wife had a successful surgery and I ate a lot of good meals during our 30 day stay in Boston. I did not enjoy the stress caused by the tire episode. I should have replaced them ($400.00+ each) shortly after purchasing the car.

Getting back to tire composition. Partial extraction from an internet search five minutes ago; "... Generally more expensive, often have lower treadwear ratings, and may have softer compounds that wear faster, prioritizing comfort over longevity."

 

[710-oil-614]

Looking only at the 225/65R-17 size, Michelin lists (3) OEM versions (Toyota, GM & Ford) all show 8.5/32nds tread depth, and no aftermarket (non-OEM) version

https://www.michelinman.com/auto/tires/michelin-primacy-all-season

HRG

Fair enough on that specific tire - the tread depth is 8.5/32 with no "non-OEM" options.

The tread depth on the Wildpeak AT Trails I just put on is 11/32.

Michelin CC2 is 10/32. Michelin Defender 2 is 10.5/32

Pirelli P Zero AS Plus 3 is 10/32.

Goodyear Territory HT is 11/32

See where I'm going?

 

[Cherokee]

Oh but it is true! I know you love to think buying a 2024 model off the dealership floor on 12/31/24 means yours is a unicorn - the OEM tires do not have as much tread depth as the ones consumers purchase.

Hahaha, your funnay.
I was just at my dealer for an hour getting my 04’ Escape serviced. I depth checked four different tires with my tread depth gage. I sat down and checked the spec on tread depth at the manufacturers web sites.

They all had the tread depth equal to the manufacturer stated depth. Just like what we buy.
At Wallyworld last Sunday I checked three of the same tires.
Tread depth was EXACTLY the same !
My gage is accurate.

I’m starting to think a lot of you guys are just paranoid that your getting screwed all the time.

Unicorn, That was a good one, very original. :XD

Go on, show me proof, prove you’re right.
My feelings won’t be hurt. I do not carry the awful burden of self importance.

“I have no thoughts, so I will see. I fear nothing, so I will remember myself. Detached and at ease, I will dart past the Eagle to be free.” — Carlos Castaneda.

I hope somebody gets that one but I doubt it.

 

[710-oil-614]

Hahaha, your funnay.
I was just at my dealer for an hour getting my 04’ Escape serviced. I depth checked four different tires with my tread depth gage. I sat down and checked the spec on tread depth.

They all had the tread depth equal to the manufacturer stated depth. Just like what we buy.
At Wallyworld a
Sunday I checked three of the same tires.
Tread depth was NOT less.

I’m starting to think a lot of you guys are just paranoid that your getting screwed all the time.

Unicorn, That was a good one, very original. :XD

Please see my post above. Your tires have only 8.5/32nds tread depth new.

Almost all other tires have at least 10/32nds tread depth. Your specific tire does not have a non-OEM equivalent as they are all designed for manufacturers.

 

[Hot Runr Guy]

Fair enough on that specific tire - the tread depth is 8.5/32 with no "non-OEM" options.

The tread depth on the Wildpeak AT Trails I just put on is 11/32.

Michelin CC2 is 10/32. Michelin Defender 2 is 10.5/32

Pirelli P Zero AS Plus 3 is 10/32.

Goodyear Territory HT is 11/32

See where I'm going?

I see exactly where you're going. The Nokian Outpost APT's I intend to purchase in the spring are listed at 13/32" tread depth.

HRG

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