Pay-per-mile vs Gas Tax

[wax87]

Pay per mile is just another government intrusion into people's ability to travel freely.

travel freely is not the same as travelling for free, just saying

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[MinntoMich]

"it will seem unevenly applied" from someone that has Khrushchev on his profile is very interesting

I thought that thread had died.

I chose that avatar as I the image of someone banging their shoe on a podium and telling you what they thought was appropriate for an internet fourm. And it is.
Turns out according to Wikipedia (the website of choice for lazy students, journalists and politicians), the shoe banging on the UN podium never happened. It was airbrushed in later.

 

[Darthie]

It won't "replace state gas tax", it will supplement the per gallon tax. Sounds like BS to me!!

Why is it BS. Its really a use tax fro the priveledge of driving on a well maintained paved surface. Or am I wrong? I like the concept of a use tax for a lt of things. Seems more equitable.

 

[Prickly Pear]

Our state proposed charging 2.5 cents a mile, which works out to breaking even if you average ~21 MPG (based on our nearly nation leading high gas tax). People with better MPG would have to kick in the difference, and people with crappy mileage could apply for rebate, presumably using gas receipts. At least everyone would be paying the same per mile. I like it!

 

[Glen Baker LLC]

It won't "replace state gas tax", it will supplement the per gallon tax. Sounds like BS to me!!

Exactly.
Once politicians have a tax, they almost never rescind a tax.
As a matter of some taxes that had a "SUNSET" date, were overridden and are still in effect. "For the betterment of the state."

 

[MakinDoForNow]

Exactly.
Once politicians have a tax, they almost never rescind a tax.
As a matter of some taxes that had a "SUNSET" date, were overridden and are still in effect. "For the betterment of the state."

In Texas last year or two they did away with the required vehicle inspection so we don't have that any more but the $7.50 fee the state collected as part of the inspection is still collected under the name "Inspection Replacement Fee"!!!! (The inspection fee has been "replaced"). I'm sure the state has to continue collecting the fee because of the way Texas was a Republic when it became a state causing many Legal things having to be done as amendments to the state Constitution. The legislature meets every other year at which time they pass amendments which have to be voted on in a statewide polling. Then when approved the governor can sign the bill into law. We may have to live with the inspection replacement fee for quite a while.

 

[Glen Baker LLC]

In Texas last year or two they did away with the required vehicle inspection so we don't have that any more but the $7.50 fee the state collected as part of the inspection is still collected under the name "Inspection Replacement Fee"!!!! (The inspection fee has been "replaced"). I'm sure the state has to continue collecting the fee because of the way Texas was a Republic when it became a state causing many Legal things having to be done as amendments to the state Constitution. The legislature meets every other year at which time they pass amendments which have to be voted on in a statewide polling. Then when approved the governor can sign the bill into law. We may have to live with the inspection replacement fee for quite a while.

Kind of the same in Nevada.
There is no way I won't want them meeting every year.

 

[Surly Old Bill]

Taxes wouldn't be so bad if we got more for our money. In civilized countries, as in every other 1st world country on the planet, people don't have to worry if they can afford medical care. #1 cause of bankruptcy in Merkuh. They also don't have to worry about living in abject poverty if they retire in old age and do not have a large enough nest egg to pay all their expenses. But at least we have the most expensive military in the world, there's always that...

edit; I have been informed that medical costs are not the largest cause of bankruptcy in Merkuh, they are just a co-cause that is always present with other debt. It's kind of like saying someone didn't die OF the plague, they died WITH the plague. AI lied to me.

 

[dochawk]

What's wrong with taxing tires based upon that standard tread-life number?

1) this will result in under-stating tire life.
2) it varies by climate. In southern Nevada, tread life is irrelevant; they die from UV well before that rating.

As a matter of some taxes that had a "SUNSET" date, were overridden and are still in effect. "For the betterment of the state."

In nevada, we have a constitutional 2/3 requirement in the legislature to impose a tax.

the legislature tried to continue a tax with built in sunset by a simple majority!

Our Supreme Court didn't go for that . . .

Kind of the same in Nevada.
There is no way I won't want them meeting every year.

In the early to mid 90s, the NV legislature, which had long dealt with the 60 day limit on payment with huge per diem payments afterwards, was pushing for annual sessions.

By the time the dust settled, the result was instead that any payment, including per diem, past 90 (?) days was prohibited. Furthermore, any bill that doesn't pass a floor vote in at least one chamber by day 90 (?) is dead letter!

#1 cause of bankruptcy in Merkuh.

Speaking as a (retired) bankruptcy attorney--this is pure myth.

Medical debt is present in a healthy majority of personal bankruptcies.

It is almost never the sole cause, and I only saw a couple of cases, ever, where it was a top cause.

As a generalization (with exceptions!), medical debt doesn't push as hard, nor get as drastic collecting--in large part, as it is so often a lost cause.

[no, I'm not defending our mess of a medical system, and not understating the problem. It's just that the link isn't causal for medical debt and bankruptcy]

 

[Dano]

Why is it BS. Its really a use tax fro the priveledge of driving on a well maintained paved surface. Or am I wrong? I like the concept of a use tax for a lt of things. Seems more equitable.

It's "BS" because the greedy politicians want it in ADDITION to paying at the pump....plus WSDOT get revenue from annual registrations! Wa state has some of the highest pump prices in the nation.

 

[Triangle6887]

I haven't read too much about the issue of gas tax vs mileage tax, but I've seen a third option proposed - weight mile tax. It's basically a tax that is levied with some formula determined off your vehicle weight and miles driven. We have it here in Oregon but its limited to commercial vehicles only. If you're going to tax mileage driven, the most fair way to do it is off vehicle weight. If I drive 100 miles in my Maverick which weighs in at about 3500lbs, I am objectively doing less damage to the road than something like a Cadillac Escalade ESV which weighs in around 6250lbs. Why should we pay the same for the same journey?

Now the reality is that passenger vehicles don't do near as much damage to the roads as commercial vehicles. A semi-truck driving down with a load can weigh as much as 10 of my Mavericks (on the low end). It only makes sense that they should be required to pay for that. I'm no economist but I know enough to realize that doing something like that will make moving goods more expensive and that cost will likely get passed on to the consumer rather than being absorbed by the trucking company.

I think the first thing that states need to start doing is start enforcing expired registration. I don't know about the rest of the nation, but here in Oregon and Washington I feel like I see a ton of cars with expired tags - esspecially the closer I am to the big cities. Its gotten really bad since COVID where it seems like every fourth or fifth car is driving on tags that expired 3-5 years ago.

 

[Cherokee]

All this complaining and bitching and not one single person will do anything. Not even write a letter, send an email or make a call or even vote against it.
If they/them do this just remember who let it happen.

 

[MakinDoForNow]

1) this will result in under-stating tire life.
2) it varies by climate. In southern Nevada, tread life is irrelevant; they die from UV well before that rating.




In nevada, we have a constitutional 2/3 requirement in the legislature to impose a tax.

the legislature tried to continue a tax with built in sunset by a simple majority!

Our Supreme Court didn't go for that . . .



In the early to mid 90s, the NV legislature, which had long dealt with the 60 day limit on payment with huge per diem payments afterwards, was pushing for annual sessions.

By the time the dust settled, the result was instead that any payment, including per diem, past 90 (?) days was prohibited. Furthermore, any bill that doesn't pass a floor vote in at least one chamber by day 90 (?) is dead letter!



Speaking as a (retired) bankruptcy attorney--this is pure myth.

Medical debt is present in a healthy majority of personal bankruptcies.

It is almost never the sole cause, and I only saw a couple of cases, ever, where it was a top cause.

As a generalization (with exceptions!), medical debt doesn't push as hard, nor get as drastic collecting--in large part, as it is so often a lost cause.

[no, I'm not defending our mess of a medical system, and not understating the problem. It's just that the link isn't causal for medical debt and bankruptcy]

It can take years but medical debt can sometimes be negotiated to a much lower figure.

 

[Pointyears]

Now the reality is that passenger vehicles don't do near as much damage to the roads as commercial vehicles. A semi-truck driving down with a load can weigh as much as 10 of my Mavericks (on the low end). It only makes sense that they should be required to pay for that. I'm no economist but I know enough to realize that doing something like that will make moving goods more expensive and that cost will likely get passed on to the consumer rather than being absorbed by the trucking company.

They do pay for that. That's why diesel fuel taxes are so high compared to gasoline taxes to compensate for that.

 

[Darthie]

It's "BS" because the greedy politicians want it in ADDITION to paying at the pump....plus WSDOT get revenue from annual registrations! Wa state has some of the highest pump prices in the nation.

That ain't right. A holes.

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