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Hi folks,

Well it ain't got a bed, but it's approximately a stretched to 6ft bed Maverick with a cap on. The Santa Fe is listing at $45k for the Preferred Hybrid trim in Canada and gets...
ACC
AWD
Drive modes including ice, mud and sand.
... among the rest of everything you expect and everything I want. Gas mileage from this hybrid seems to split the difference between the Ecoboost and hybrid Mavericks. Outside the official figures, careful footwork seems to get 40mpg out of them where it would get 50 on the Mav. So it loses a point or two on that. But on the other hand the offroad modes seem to put it halfway into FX4/Tremor territory. Some vids make it look like it's dealing with stuff that plain jane AWD mavs are struggling with. It's not close to GOAT or Trail rated capable though.

Anyway, comparing it with a capped Mav, you get 50% more space behind second row, 6'6" I think it was, and the space behind the 3rd seat if you have it up is same as Mav with a roller tonneau or something like that in the way, a little shorter than full bed. It comes with a rack on top standard also.

What's making it hard is even "giving" the Mav $1000 for the extra official towing, (Though this chassis equals it with other engines) that I still can't find a way to get an AWD, hybrid, ACC equipped Mav within $3000 of it. i.e. with the perfect combo that leaves out unwanted extras, it's still a list price 49,500 Maverick Lariat AWD in Canadian pricing, and finding those is hard, they're getting ordered with superfluous moonroofs, bed accessories you can add later, and the "trade $10 of vinyl and paint for $20 of chrome and we'll charge you thousands for the privilege" Black Appearance Package. So there's practically nothing around me that's less than 51k .... and this is not even counting that you've basically got a "free cap" with a larger SUV, even though it's less flexible due to permanence.

If Hyundai decided to bend the roof 90 degrees down at the C pillar, credit the loss of 3rd row fixings and spend the money saved on only half a tailgate on the bed lining, then they'd be offering a "Top trim Lariat" with a 6ft bed for $10k less than Ford, and that would be much fiercer competition than the Santa Cruz given it seems to do a bit more offroad.

Anyway, if there remains no way to get a Hybrid AWD with ACC for significantly less than 50k in my market (keep reloading the offers page, they're basically giving away nothing on Mav in Canada right now.) then I guess this Hyundai is my backup... and I think these look better than the Broncos for being designed "in the same vein" as it were.

BTW I know their motors are splodey, but their better warranty means I can drive it a longish while before worrying about it.
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Hyundai And Kia steel is of such poor quality because of such a high silica/sand content that after approximately 6 to 7 years it becomes so brittle that structurally it is dangerous.

Several people I know that have bought new had to start adding oil weekly after as little as 80,000 miles. I feel those two manufacturers should not be allowed to sell vehicles here just because they pass safety testing when new.
 
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If we're gonna be realllly general and jump back in history, let's say I shouldn't buy a Ford either because of subframe failure in 2nd Gen Escapes, 1.6 Ecoboosts being a failapalooza, F series frame issues in the noughts, powerjokes, stuck plugs in Tritons, whatever was going on with the Flex, Fiesta and Focus transmission fiascos..... and that's being more specific than you are, and this is nowhere near a complete list.

Only recent thing I'm finding on Hyundai/Kia structural issues is a 2020 soul that cracked out due to manufacture flaw, replaced under warranty, which has a similar example of a Mav missed weld or something that got warrantied on these very forums.

Besides which they changed up to advanced high strength steels 5 years ago, so IDK how you know they are bound to fail in service in 6 or 7.
 

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But they're two different type vehicles. The Santa Fe is a 3 Row SUV, while the Maverick is a Pickup body.
 

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The new Santa Fe are so nice! When our Sorrento gets to 10 years or 100k miles, we are heavily favoring a Santa Fe hybrid.
 

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But they're two different type vehicles. The Santa Fe is a 3 Row SUV, while the Maverick is a Pickup body.
Well the reason you don't normally compare the two is they are usually in completely different price ranges with the truck on the low side and the SUV on the high side. Last I remember when the Chebbys had the S10/S15 truck and SUV thing going on the the truck was 20k and the SUV was 25k, in current ranges, it's only kinda direct on fullsize and I think you have to pick an F150 at about 65k CDN to match the low Expedition trim at 85k, though there's lower "work truck" basic ones for F150. At the high end you can match the King Ranch at 98? with the KR Expedition at 110ish... so less gap there. It kinda maintains between the Explorer and the Ranger, but hard to get a real close comparo with differing drivetrains.

But if you pick the Mavericks platform buddies the Bronco Sport etc, it seems to go upside down, bearing in mind cabin equipment. Plus they seem to be more in a more compact size class....

Anyway, if you're trying to be somewhere in amongst 2000-4000lb towing, 1250-1750 payload, approx 4 washing machines of space, and high MPG you're gonna be comparing SUVs to trucklets to minivans, which have priced more out of sight in hybrid variations. So what should be grossly unfair to a 3 row if high price was a negative factor and the fact of it having to furnish more "livable" space being a disadvantage, and it turn out NOT like that, it speaks to the truck you can compare it to being overpriced.

So what about the bed, half the folks on here using Mav for bikes, motorised or pedalled, seem to be using hitch racks. Say 45% of the addons are caps, tonneaus etc, devoted to keeping the load as dry as it would be in an SUV, 45% of the addons are racks getting canoes, ladders, rooftents as high as they would be on top of an SUV, which is coming with a rack. Then out of the remaining 10%, 1% actually want a hose out bed because they have livestock and are hauling manure, 1% are hoping for a slide in hard camper (Don't stop believin'.... ) , and maybe the rest want their roof tent down low so the bears can have a toe nibble before committing.

So really there's not many completely non-negotiable reasons to have a bed, and many ways to work round the issue. "But what if you wanna carry some real world pickup big awkward load that only real pickups can carry?" Well then I'll just have to use an 8x5 utility trailer like a Maverick has to 😜 Don't get me wrong, I think having a bed would be neat, but not neat enough that I want to be paying through the nose for a dubious privilege when I've gotta do stuff (caps, racks) to mitigate it's disadvantages.... even if it's "flexible" in how you solve those problems.

Anyway, given the number of times in the past 20 years I've needed to move a fullsize fridge freezer is 1, and the number of times I couldn't just have laid it flat and waited 2 hours for the refrigerant to settle before turning it on again is zero, I figure I'd cope, so that's why I'm comparing a pickup with an SUV that has mpg, payload, volumetric carrying capacity and towing "in the same ballpark"

Though wait up, how much do you reckon it would be to take an Escape PHEV to a coachbuilder and have it stretched 2ft? .... okay okay, only kidding.
 

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I don't know about registration prices in Ontario, but in California the Maverick has 1 more knock against it as it considered a commercial vehicle. It cost me $600 this year to register it, probably higher next year or the year after.
 

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Hi folks,

Well it ain't got a bed, but it's approximately a stretched to 6ft bed Maverick with a cap on. The Santa Fe is listing at $45k for the Preferred Hybrid trim in Canada and gets...
ACC
AWD
Drive modes including ice, mud and sand.
... among the rest of everything you expect and everything I want. Gas mileage from this hybrid seems to split the difference between the Ecoboost and hybrid Mavericks. Outside the official figures, careful footwork seems to get 40mpg out of them where it would get 50 on the Mav. So it loses a point or two on that. But on the other hand the offroad modes seem to put it halfway into FX4/Tremor territory. Some vids make it look like it's dealing with stuff that plain jane AWD mavs are struggling with. It's not close to GOAT or Trail rated capable though.

Anyway, comparing it with a capped Mav, you get 50% more space behind second row, 6'6" I think it was, and the space behind the 3rd seat if you have it up is same as Mav with a roller tonneau or something like that in the way, a little shorter than full bed. It comes with a rack on top standard also.

What's making it hard is even "giving" the Mav $1000 for the extra official towing, (Though this chassis equals it with other engines) that I still can't find a way to get an AWD, hybrid, ACC equipped Mav within $3000 of it. i.e. with the perfect combo that leaves out unwanted extras, it's still a list price 49,500 Maverick Lariat AWD in Canadian pricing, and finding those is hard, they're getting ordered with superfluous moonroofs, bed accessories you can add later, and the "trade $10 of vinyl and paint for $20 of chrome and we'll charge you thousands for the privilege" Black Appearance Package. So there's practically nothing around me that's less than 51k .... and this is not even counting that you've basically got a "free cap" with a larger SUV, even though it's less flexible due to permanence.

If Hyundai decided to bend the roof 90 degrees down at the C pillar, credit the loss of 3rd row fixings and spend the money saved on only half a tailgate on the bed lining, then they'd be offering a "Top trim Lariat" with a 6ft bed for $10k less than Ford, and that would be much fiercer competition than the Santa Cruz given it seems to do a bit more offroad.

Anyway, if there remains no way to get a Hybrid AWD with ACC for significantly less than 50k in my market (keep reloading the offers page, they're basically giving away nothing on Mav in Canada right now.) then I guess this Hyundai is my backup... and I think these look better than the Broncos for being designed "in the same vein" as it were.

BTW I know their motors are splodey, but their better warranty means I can drive it a longish while before worrying about it.
Despite what you may read here any vehicle you get from Hyundai Kia or Genesis is going to be a buy. I’ve owned about 11 of them in the past decade. They have fantastic warranties many more options than its competitors and the Dealership network is strong and will take care of you. If there’s a problem I’ve owned an Azera a G90 genesis. 2 Optimas and a Tucson and they’ve all been fantastic cars.
 

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the new Santa Fe has got to be one of the ugliest new vehicles I have ever seen.
 

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Hi folks,

Well it ain't got a bed, but it's approximately a stretched to 6ft bed Maverick with a cap on. The Santa Fe is listing at $45k for the Preferred Hybrid trim in Canada and gets...
ACC
AWD
Drive modes including ice, mud and sand.
... among the rest of everything you expect and everything I want. Gas mileage from this hybrid seems to split the difference between the Ecoboost and hybrid Mavericks. Outside the official figures, careful footwork seems to get 40mpg out of them where it would get 50 on the Mav. So it loses a point or two on that. But on the other hand the offroad modes seem to put it halfway into FX4/Tremor territory. Some vids make it look like it's dealing with stuff that plain jane AWD mavs are struggling with. It's not close to GOAT or Trail rated capable though.

Anyway, comparing it with a capped Mav, you get 50% more space behind second row, 6'6" I think it was, and the space behind the 3rd seat if you have it up is same as Mav with a roller tonneau or something like that in the way, a little shorter than full bed. It comes with a rack on top standard also.

What's making it hard is even "giving" the Mav $1000 for the extra official towing, (Though this chassis equals it with other engines) that I still can't find a way to get an AWD, hybrid, ACC equipped Mav within $3000 of it. i.e. with the perfect combo that leaves out unwanted extras, it's still a list price 49,500 Maverick Lariat AWD in Canadian pricing, and finding those is hard, they're getting ordered with superfluous moonroofs, bed accessories you can add later, and the "trade $10 of vinyl and paint for $20 of chrome and we'll charge you thousands for the privilege" Black Appearance Package. So there's practically nothing around me that's less than 51k .... and this is not even counting that you've basically got a "free cap" with a larger SUV, even though it's less flexible due to permanence.

If Hyundai decided to bend the roof 90 degrees down at the C pillar, credit the loss of 3rd row fixings and spend the money saved on only half a tailgate on the bed lining, then they'd be offering a "Top trim Lariat" with a 6ft bed for $10k less than Ford, and that would be much fiercer competition than the Santa Cruz given it seems to do a bit more offroad.

Anyway, if there remains no way to get a Hybrid AWD with ACC for significantly less than 50k in my market (keep reloading the offers page, they're basically giving away nothing on Mav in Canada right now.) then I guess this Hyundai is my backup... and I think these look better than the Broncos for being designed "in the same vein" as it were.

BTW I know their motors are splodey, but their better warranty means I can drive it a longish while before worrying about it.
We have both Santa Fe Calligraphy and a loaded 4k Lariat Maverick top tier everything on them awd's here in the US the S.F.was like 8 grand more than the Maverick.Hands down Maverick is a better vehicle in every aspect and gets about 7-8 mpg better. Also The Santa Fe tow rating is only 2000#
 
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I owned a 2001 Santa Fe and it lasted until last year. If the Santa Cruz had a 4k tow package I would buy it tomorrow. Been shopping for a Maverick for 2 years. Between the delusional dealerships and everlasting recalls I am still shopping. Buy the Hyundai if it fits your needs.
 
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I don't know about registration prices in Ontario, but in California the Maverick has 1 more knock against it as it considered a commercial vehicle. It cost me $600 this year to register it, probably higher next year or the year after.
Weird, and sucks for you guys, that doesn't kick in until a much higher GVWR here, got a feeling it's 4600kg but not super sure, result is that Ford sells "derated" F250s for camper tugging, so it's just the right side of the cutoff for personal use.

Just thinking the PT Cruiser and I think the HHR ended up classed as a truck platform for some purpose, so did they also attract higher licence/tax rates??
 
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We have both Santa Fe Calligraphy and a loaded 4k Lariat Maverick top tier everything on them awd's here in the US the S.F.was like 8 grand more than the Maverick.Hands down Maverick is a better vehicle in every aspect and gets about 7-8 mpg better. Also The Santa Fe tow rating is only 2000#
Good to know the delta with the same drivers on both, thanks. The sitch here is the Canadian Preferred trim appears to be as loaded as the Lariat, but at lower cost. The tow rating is a "monitor your transmission heat with an OBDII app" problem rather than a chassis problem, but less desirable. Plus the "normal" hybrid problem of regen overload when more momentum involved.
 
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Despite what you may read here any vehicle you get from Hyundai Kia or Genesis is going to be a buy. I’ve owned about 11 of them in the past decade. They have fantastic warranties many more options than its competitors and the Dealership network is strong and will take care of you. If there’s a problem I’ve owned an Azera a G90 genesis. 2 Optimas and a Tucson and they’ve all been fantastic cars.
Going through 11 in a decade doesn't really make your case LOL. Did you have any past 3 years?

An inlaw had a Sonata then a Tucson and he always liked the dealers. That was the 2 trouble free Hyundais in the fam, then an Elantra had engine issues. About the same with Kias, 3 good ones, one bad one, but also with Ford, 3 good one bad, also maybe surprisingly Toyota only has 3 good 1 bad. Nissan gets the f you for eternity card, 3 bad ones, 3 sterrrrrikes, you're outta here. Chrysler/Dodge, 5 goodish with niggles, but those were all pre-2010, have difficulty liking anything they've made in the last decade or so and their reliability ratings have been in the toilet. Honda samples low at 2 good. Numerous GM product, mostly temporarily and I think they go about half and half but some are still running when they fall apart around you.
 

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Two words are always guaranteed to bring out the ultra-fanboy-hater crowd on MTC. "Hyundai" and "Electric".

I think we need a new phrase in our MTC vernacular: "Hyundai Derangement Syndrome".
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