Pay-per-mile vs Gas Tax

[Prickly Pear]

Apparently in Oregon you can either self report or "save yourself the trouble" and let Big Bro put a gps tracker on your car. They "promise" that the data will only be used to determine your miles driven - Smiling Faces...

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[Milous]

Here in Washington they are proposing to replace state gas tax with a pay-per-mile charge.

As a couple folks have noted, it will not replace the current gas tax, but will add to it.

Currently WA State has the 4th largest gas tax in the nation, at almost $0.53/Gallon.

Note that awhile back WA added $75 to car tab renewal fees for hybrid vehicles to go towards creating additional charging stations for electric cars. So, as a Maverick hybrid owner I am paying to support electric car charging stations!!! My recent renewal fee was $172.00.

 

[Blue316]

As a Washingtonian this is one of my biggest pet peeves. So incredibly sick of seeing tabs expired as much as 5 years ago….
For a long time I would see this one SOB driving a MB G55, tabs 3 years out of date.

Washington should get started with shoring up the budget by pulling people over for expired tabs/registration. I'm tired of the freeloaders, especially the folks that are driving 50k vehicles.

 

[FreedomPenguin]

As a Washingtonian this is one of my biggest pet peeves. So incredibly sick of seeing tabs expired as much as 5 years ago….
For a long time I would see this one SOB driving a MB G55, tabs 3 years out of date.

DMV should simply auto bill expired plates, and if you no longer have vehicle, contest it after receive bill.

 

[Tim d]

Here in Washington they are proposing to replace state gas tax with a pay-per-mile charge. Claim the EV's and to a lesser extent hybrids are not paying their fare share of the road tax. Supposedly Oregon and three other states have some sort of pay-per-mile program. If you are in one of these states I'd like to hear how it is working out for you. If not, any general comments? In the example I saw if you even average 25 MPG you will pay more with the new plan than you do with Washington's gas tax. There is also talk of just charging hybrids more to register per year. I remember when you were encouraged to drive a car that was good on gas.....

We shouldn't have either...we are taxed enough the way it is.

 

[Ozarkbeard]

There is also talk of just charging hybrids more to register per year. I remember when you were encouraged to drive a car that was good on gas.....

Unfortunately, the wind is blowing in a different direction in many places these days.

My state already has a fuck-the-Hybrid owner annual tax. It's definitely a virtue-signaling tax aimed at vehicles that don't totally propel themselves using fossil fuels. So ironic, in a state with some of the largest known Lithium reserves in the US.

Example: Two vehicles both average ~40mpg. One is a Hybrid and the other is a compact ICE vehicle. Why is the Hybrid vehicle charged an additional annual tax but the compact vehicle isn't, when they both consume the same amount of fuel?

Paying to keep highways maintained is necessary. Switching to an annual tax based on miles driven is the only fair way.

 

[HoiToid]

In Virginia our General Assembly passed a Highway Use Fee bill in 2020 penalizing Hybrids and EV vehicles with "the better your MPG the more you pay" to renew annual registration; they base it on an average annual 16,000 miles for our population. And monitored by your VIN number. Or as an alternative DMV allows a "third party" device to be put on your vehicle to monitor actual miles driven (of course you have to give your credit card to the "third party" to pay for the reduced fees. What could possibly go wrong with that deal?
So if one only drives 6,500 miles per year, the fee is the same as someone who drives 16,000. And our out of state "bedroom community" neighbors who use our roads prolifically are not paying the fee.
So they gotcha coming and going~~ Buy a hybrid to save fuel but pay more to use the roads

 

[KEMeyer]

I feel fortunate to live in a state where the governor and legislative majority work toward lowering our taxes. The only thing I know of to address EV's is taxing the sale of "electric fuel" as follows.

" Beginning July 1 [2023], owners of EV charging stations will be responsible for reporting and paying to the Iowa Department of Revenue two and six-tenths cents for each kilowatt hour ($0.026 per kWh) of electric fuel dispensed into an EV battery or energy storage device. This does not apply to electric fuel dispensed at residences."

We have a self-charging Toyota hybrid and an Eco Mav, so no impact on us.

 

[d7602002]

If they wanted to do the mileage thing for electric vehicles then so be it because they don't use gas and they still use the roads. So let them pay per mile. I know it's been talked about in Michigan where I live and I think I heard like one or two cents per mile. So 10,000 miles will be 200 bucks a year. However, if you're going to do that then drop the tax on the gas. Don't make me pay twice as that's what'll piss me off

 

[OleFordGuy]

I guess the pay per mile could be reasonable. Sorta makes sense to me that all road users, regardless of vehicle propulsion type pays equally for the upkeep of the roads, etc. Guess there's more than one way to do that? Just my 2 cents.

 

[Bob The Builder]

NO!

 

[710-oil-614]

Here in Washington they are proposing to replace state gas tax with a pay-per-mile charge. Claim the EV's and to a lesser extent hybrids are not paying their fare share of the road tax. Supposedly Oregon and three other states have some sort of pay-per-mile program. If you are in one of these states I'd like to hear how it is working out for you. If not, any general comments? In the example I saw if you even average 25 MPG you will pay more with the new plan than you do with Washington's gas tax. There is also talk of just charging hybrids more to register per year. I remember when you were encouraged to drive a car that was good on gas.....

In Ohio we hit Hybrids and EVs with a flat fee to make up for their lack of contribution to the gas tax. The bottom line is - we need to maintain our infrastructure and everyone should pay their fair share to do so.

Imagine you buy your first EV when you retire and you only drive 4,000 miles per year and you get hit with a $200 annual fee and that is $0.05 per mile you are paying where Ohio charges $0.385 per gallon in state taxes and the average ICE vehicle gets 26mpg - those folks are only paying $0.015 per mile in taxes.

That is a long way of proposing a flat fee of say - $0.02 per mile for all vehicles - but how do you charge that? Then drivers may be paying tax to Ohio for miles driven in other states?

It gets tough.

 

[FreedomPenguin]

In Ohio we hit Hybrids and EVs with a flat fee to make up for their lack of contribution to the gas tax. The bottom line is - we need to maintain our infrastructure and everyone should pay their fair share to do so.

Imagine you buy your first EV when you retire and you only drive 4,000 miles per year and you get hit with a $200 annual fee and that is $0.05 per mile you are paying where Ohio charges $0.385 per gallon in state taxes and the average ICE vehicle gets 26mpg - those folks are only paying $0.015 per mile in taxes.

That is a long way of proposing a flat fee of say - $0.02 per mile for all vehicles - but how do you charge that? Then drivers may be paying tax to Ohio for miles driven in other states?

It gets tough.

Ohio sucks. lol Dayton awful, as I mentioned earlier I feel like those with no license plates driving around running red lights etc hitting people and driving off bc like 1/3 don’t have insurance literally live consequence free her.

Literally zero police enforcement on the road. I get it, they got drugs etc to deal with. But do your job and enforce the rules everywhere, I only see cops in wealthier areas. None in Dayton doing any road enforcement

 

[Ponyprez]

The hell you say!

People in California have it worst.
They have to live 50 - 60 - 80 miles away from work. Most jobs are in the big cities but the only affordable homes, or only homes for that matter are waaaaaaay out of town.

What CA does NOT have a lot of is... high rise housing. High density workplace, but very little high density housing so everyone has to drive to their one story one family home. The American dream right?

You also have a governor who is spending your gas tax on a high speed rail that has consumed unknown hundreds of millions of gas and other tax dollars and not 1 train has run in that decades long pursuit.

 

[Cherokee]

You also have a governor who is spending your gas tax on a high speed rail that has consumed unknown hundreds of millions of gas and other tax dollars and not 1 train has run in that decades long pursuit.

RICO Laws should take care of that.

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