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The risk of reducing the life of an engine to gain a little extra power just doesn't make much sense to me. Hell, I'd pay Ford $399 extra to add 20% more longevity to the vehicle!
Improving efficiency does not reduce engine longevity.
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That's the whole point of a piggy back tune, you take it off and there is no way for them to tell that you were running a tune, or at least no way to remotely prove it.

That is IF its a good piggy back that has all the factory harnesses so that its plug and play.

If you have to cut up your factory wiring, then that piggy back makes no sense IMO, might as well go with a ECU tune at that point.
Looks to be plug and play.
 

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If you aren't changing the "CAN" in the ECU, then a device like this is not detectable, as it "piggy backs" and can be removed. It does not leave a footprint on the ECU.
So, the fact that is undetectable makes it all right to cheat Ford if you claim damage caused by the device under the factory warranty?
 

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Improving efficiency does not reduce engine longevity.
More power generally means more wear and tear. I have my doubts that aftermarket tuners really know more about Ford engines than the engineers who designed and tuned them. Hell, one recent post from an aftermarket guy revealed that just attaching a hose is a challenge. While I have no doubt that these guys can squeeze out a little more power, I suspect that it comes with a cost.
All of that said, if someone is willing to take the risk, have at it. Just isn’t worth it to me.
 

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More power generally means more wear and tear. I have my doubts that aftermarket tuners really know more about Ford engines than the engineers who designed and tuned them. Hell, one recent post from an aftermarket guy revealed that just attaching a hose is a challenge. While I have no doubt that these guys can squeeze out a little more power, I suspect that it comes with a cost.
All of that said, if someone is willing to take the risk, have at it. Just isn’t worth it to me.
Wear and tear is a by product of the end user.

Many who get into the aftermarket tuning world, come directly from programming experience with the car makers.

Staying stock is your call..and there is nothing wrong with that..

30hp more and better fuel economy doesn't worry me..
 

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So, the fact that is undetectable makes it all right to cheat Ford if you claim damage caused by the device under the factory warranty?
Bro.. for real... get outta here..lol

I explained what it does. My comment made no indication of moral compass.

But that said, like Ford never screws the consumer, ever?
 
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I have no idea what this is about, except to say that 20% better gas mileage seems interesting to me. Especially if it’s plug and play. As for power, the XLT I test drove was plenty powerful for me… but better gas mileage at $ 3.65 a gallon seems like a good deal.
 

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So, the fact that is undetectable makes it all right to cheat Ford if you claim damage caused by the device under the factory warranty?
Why, yes. Yes, it does.

I bet you told on a lot of kids in elementary school.
 
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Coming from a tuning background, this seems overpriced for the gains. I'm betting there will be future tunes available with better gains, albeit, they will likely be flash type tunes vs this piggyback OBD2 plug-in. Also, given the current hp/tq figures, the gains shown could be very close to atmospheric variances too...in other words, they aren't much, and could be accounted for by dynoing on a different day. Just my opinion. With these little gains, I would find it hard to feel via seat of the pants any improvement. The selling site offers no dyno charts to show where the gains are, or if there are any peaks/valleys. Last, they have a picture of one of these units also showing a wiring harness, which if you go all the way to purchasing a unit, there is no mention of if the unit needs this harness or not. I should quantify this post in that my experience is with much higher HP vehicles, so perhaps my perspective is a bit skewed.
 

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Coming from a tuning background, this seems overpriced for the gains. I'm betting there will be future tunes available with better gains, albeit, they will likely be flash type tunes vs this piggyback OBD2 plug-in. Also, given the current hp/tq figures, the gains shown could be very close to atmospheric variances too...in other words, they aren't much, and could be accounted for by dynoing on a different day. Just my opinion. With these little gains, I would find it hard to feel via seat of the pants any improvement. The selling site offers no dyno charts to show where the gains are, or if there are any peaks/valleys. Last, they have a picture of one of these units also showing a wiring harness, which if you go all the way to purchasing a unit, there is no mention of if the unit needs this harness or not. I should quantify this post in that my experience is with much higher HP vehicles, so perhaps my perspective is a bit skewed.
One would hope/assume that the results are from same day, same dyno, same vehicle, same conditions. As you stated, that is not verified currently.

As for the gains, on a 250hp vehicle, I'd say 29hp/33tq are beyond what "atmospheric conditions" can vary. Esp if the above mentioned parameters are legit for the testing and repeatable.

Even if you squeeze 2-3 more psi and have the trims in check accordingly, those numbers are not unreasonable.
 

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Anyone that has tuned or is a turner knows piggybackd suck. Why trick a tune when you can tune it properly.. Well maybe if you live in CA but that a whole nother dump.
 

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One would hope/assume that the results are from same day, same dyno, same vehicle, same conditions. As you stated, that is not verified currently.

As for the gains, on a 250hp vehicle, I'd say 29hp/33tq are beyond what "atmospheric conditions" can vary. Esp if the above mentioned parameters are legit for the testing and repeatable.

Even if you squeeze 2-3 more psi and have the trims in check accordingly, those numbers are not unreasonable.
All good observations. Its been my experience that even a slight change in barometric pressure can have a significant change in HP output. Given that they are stating a rough 12% increase in power, half of this could be accounted for by a single inch/hg change. However, I had time to do some research on the 2.0 and this output seems on par with real world tuning. Looks like with some typical mods (intake, exhaust, intercooler, plugs, tune) they can produce around 320 hp. Speaking of, what is the peak boost pressure for this platform? I think I'll look around for a plug-in for additional monitoring like boost, etc.
 

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Thanks for the feedback folks. I should have clarified that I do not necessarily want acceleration but more fuel efficiency. If it goes faster; fine. I will research more and post a note if I pu
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