PHEV pollution much higher than it should be

[BlueSpec1]

Light driving split between 3 vehicles.
I've added 6.3 gallons gasoline to my Escape PHEV with 2000 miles on it.

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[RobN]

Electric vehicles are smoother, more powerful, quieter, cheaper to own over their lifetime and more reliable than gasoline powered cars. They are better in almost every metric imaginable.

Except for weight, range, and convenience.

I might throw in risk of electrocution or electrical fire in an accident/rescue, though ICE vehicles have their own risks in an accident (such fuel leak fires).

The convenience factor can be trivial or enormous, depending on individual circumstances. For me, it's high enough to keep them from being legitimate options for the forseeable future. I much prefer my hybrid Maverick!

Give me a 100% charge in 5 minutes (at an affordable price), and the convenience metrics change.

 

[gator_dub]

This seems to be more of an issue with certain manufacturers and not all PHEV. Some of these manufactures (like BMW) have taken engineering shortcuts to be able to quickly create a PHEV version of a regular vehicle and have been caught not living up to their claimed emissions.

 

[Master Blaster]

The Maveick is not a PHEV, you understand the difference, right?

The reason for the increased emissions is because owners are not plugging their PHEVs in at night, which the horribly written article never mentions.

Electric vehicles are smoother, more powerful, quieter, cheaper to own over their lifetime and more reliable than gasoline powered cars. They are better in almost every metric imaginable.

PHEVs are a stopgap compromise between purely gas and purely electric vehicles but eventually we'll be 100% electric for most smaller passenger travel.

I do find it comical that the OP posted this in the hybrid power train sub but doesn't understand that the Maverick is not a PHEV or electric vehicle. They just don't understand technology. Their lack of educstion is mildly amusing though, and shows why people have such a misconstrued idea on electric vehicles.

Huh? I never intimated that at all. I drive a hybrid Mav. Maybe go back and read properly, without that huge chip on your shoulder.

 

[Bob The Builder]

Not a big fan of turbo engines. Makes things more complicated.It's a way to get the most out of a small engine. However it's the way of the world now. So far happy with my Mav ecoboost. I had an f150 3.5 ecoboost crappy 16mpg but that thing was pretty fast.

Ceramics make a huge difference now in the world of turbos. I really like the Jeep 2.0 Hurricane engine as it has a liquid cooled exhaust manifold which does wonders keeping the temps down in the turbo. BTW a side benefit of that is almost instant heat in the winter. I gotta have that turbo supplied low end torque!!

Yeah, NA engines are now old news.

 

[Oscarcat]

Just caught this article this morning, claiming that Toyotas in particular pollute almost as much as non-electrified vehicles when measured in real-world scenarios.
https://thedriven.io/2024/04/18/toy...emit-four-times-more-co2-than-company-claims/

Severe climate like tornadoes, hurricanes, flooding downpours, drought, lakes drying up, famine in 3rd world countries that used to at least have subsistance farming, migration caused by crop failure. The world has always experienced this but surging population and demands on nature compound this.

How much damage to the atmosphere are two wars doing? Crazy.

One constant as I look back is change. If people smarter than me determine that human activity contributes, I'll believe them. I don't drive an EV yet, but am close. I'll live with regen braking and limited range.

Oops, sorry, this is a Maverick forum. Meanwhile, I love my hybrid and look forward to an EV version that my solar panels can charge.

 

[YazYaz]

Electric vehicles are smoother, more powerful, quieter, cheaper to own over their lifetime and more reliable than gasoline powered cars. They are better in almost every metric imaginable.

"Smoother"? is that a technical term that I don't understand?

"Quiter" - Therefore more dangerous!

"Cheaper"? - Absolutely false. There is no unbiased study showing that EVs are cheaper either upfront or over the lifetime of the vehicle. There are so many variables that a comparison such as this is almost impossible to make unless you compare two vehicles that are exactly the same except for the engine. Even then, the result would depend on the price of fuel during the comparison period.

The entire subject of EVs and global warming has become a religion, and it is almost always impossible to change someone's religious views because religion is based on faith, not facts.

 

[James K]

Just caught this article this morning, claiming that Toyotas in particular pollute almost as much as non-electrified vehicles when measured in real-world scenarios.
https://thedriven.io/2024/04/18/toy...emit-four-times-more-co2-than-company-claims/

A past president of Green Peace has brought up exactly this. He's concerned the focus on O2 is misplaced and our solutions to it are harmful in other ways. Truthfully, I get nervous anytime an expert speaks on this subject (and just about every other subject) because if you look throughout history, experts have a poor track record of getting things right and have actually caused more harm than good. People often confuse a consensus with being right.

 

[SloopJB]

Other than my Ecoboost Maverick, my other vehicle is a Toyota RAV4 Prime, a PHEV vehicle. I am getting over 100 MPG (Gas). The cost per mile is 1/3 of my Maverick.

As an engineer, I find it difficult to understand how intelligent people can often miss “the big picture”. I believe we should consider all available technologies in light of our situation.

I, for one, would love to have a PHEV Maverick available. I could go on and on, but I won’t. I am not trying to convince anybody to do what I have done, just make informed decisions so that your needs are met in view of our situation today.

 

[Master Blaster]

Severe climate like tornadoes, hurricanes, flooding downpours, drought, lakes drying up, famine in 3rd world countries that used to at least have subsistance farming, migration caused by crop failure. The world has always experienced this but surging population and demands on nature compound this.

How much damage to the atmosphere are two wars doing? Crazy.

One constant as I look back is change. If people smarter than me determine that human activity contributes, I'll believe them. I don't drive an EV yet, but am close. I'll live with regen braking and limited range.

Oops, sorry, this is a Maverick forum. Meanwhile, I love my hybrid and look forward to an EV version that my solar panels can charge.

Electric vehicles are almost all about low-end torque. Real-world usage shows that most owners accelerate a lot more than gas vehicles as a result. As a direct result, they wear tires at 2-3x the rate of non-electric vehicles, and the low-rolling-resistance tires cost 2x as much to replace. What is more concerning is that almost half of the particles in the Pacific Gyre and similar pollution concentration points are from tires. The partial fix is pretty simple - build electric vehicles with much smaller motors. That would also allow for much smaller batteries, thereby solving another huge pollution problem with electric vehicles. Of course they would not sell as many then, since most electric car owners are acceleration freaks.

 

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[Mav_RICK]

I never liked the idea of phev... I bet a lot of people with them never plug them in... I know I would forget or just get lazy and not plug it in. Should be ICE, Hybrid or EV.

 

[James K]

The Maveick is not a PHEV, you understand the difference, right?

The reason for the increased emissions is because owners are not plugging their PHEVs in at night, which the horribly written article never mentions.

Electric vehicles are smoother, more powerful, quieter, cheaper to own over their lifetime and more reliable than gasoline powered cars. They are better in almost every metric imaginable.

PHEVs are a stopgap compromise between purely gas and purely electric vehicles but eventually we'll be 100% electric for most smaller passenger travel.

I do find it comical that the OP posted this in the hybrid power train sub but doesn't understand that the Maverick is not a PHEV or electric vehicle. They just don't understand technology. Their lack of educstion is mildly amusing though, and shows why people have such a misconstrued idea on electric vehicles.

Wow, go back and read the OP. Also, when you crack on someone about their education, you probably should write in proper grammar or risk some readers dismissing your comment. BTW: what idea do people have on electric vehicles that is misconstrued?

 

[rallyshark]

I honestly don't come at these discussions from an emissions standpoint. I come at it from a functional standpoint. PHEV, EV, and combustion engines are options we have, and they are NOT A SOLUTION to anything. They are merely options, and the best option will ultimately win. They all have their advantages. That being said, I'd take a high revving NA engine over anything else if money wasn't a concern. I'm a gearhead and I love a good sounding engine, and I love feeling one come into the power

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