Is Maverick 200k miles reliable?

[stepank]

"Fun to drive factor"? Its a truck, not a racecar. It gets things done a lot better than what you seem to need.
First, the hybrid is actually the simpler and more reliable drivetrain. It has no turbo, no direct injection, no high-pressure fuel rail and pump, no alternator, no fanbelts, brakes that last at least 2x as long, and no transmission gears and clutches to wear out. The gas engine in many sizes and with several variants of intake manifold has been in heavy use by two manufacturers for 24 years now. Even the valve actuation is a simpler design that is a lot more durable than what you're used to. The electric motor is a redesign of the Toyota Prius drive motor that has been in production for 28 years. The transaxle design is similarly a Toyota design that is also 28 years old. There are lots of examples of this type of drivetrain from both Ford and Toyota going 1/2Million miles with just routine maintenance.

Second, The hybrid drivetrain is actually quicker than the EcoBoost up to 40mph, but it would be unlikely to beat an all-electric variant should Ford decide to build one.

Hi, Looks like everyone make the same mistake when they are talking about Ford eCVT. This specific design transmission was used by Ford 5 years before Toyota. Toyota was first to introduce hybrid, but they was using crappy... chain driven eCVT. They actually now use Ford design in every modern hybrid.

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[oysterville]

I'm from THE FUTURE. Yeah, you're fine. At least 200k.

Now I must return. I just got a recall notice for my DeLorean.

 

[vandeda2024]

Hi, Looks like everyone make the same mistake when they are talking about Ford eCVT. This specific design transmission was used by Ford 5 years before Toyota. Toyota was first to introduce hybrid, but they was using crappy... chain driven eCVT. They actually now use Ford design in every modern hybrid.

Do you have a source for this? I had trouble finding the historical use of ecvts in Fords & Toyotas, but far as I can tell, the 2nd generation Prius (2004-2009) used a planetary gear ecvt, and the 2009 Fusion was the first Ford with an evct.

 

[Headcase650]

I work in the automotive industry, wholesale third party exhaust. I drive 350 to 400 miles a day in a Transit 250. For the last 3 years every time I ran into another parts guy driving a Maverick I'd ask him how many miles and have they had any problems. It's mostly XL ecoboosts as those were the cheapest for a parts delivery truck. I've already seen many with more than 100,000 miles and some approaching 150,000. Everyone I've talked to said the only time they've been in the shop is for general maintenance and recalls. Delivery vehicles get driven 7 to 10 hours a day so that's a pretty good testimony.

 

[hj630]

Long term durability is a big deal to me; we keep our vehicles for many years and hundreds of thousands of miles.

We put 250 k in 10 years on our CMax hybrid without major issues. It had an earlier generation of the type of drivetrain used in the Maverick hybrid. I was impressed enough by the reliability, durability, and economy of operation of the hybrid system that we now have an Escape PHEV and a Maverick hybrid.

The 8 year/100,000 mile warranty on the electrical portions of the drivetrain, and the idea that the operation of the Atkinson cycle engine should, if anything, be less demanding than that of a more conventional ICE, give me some peace of mind. My confidence might turn out to be misplaced, but I can only go by my own experience.

I had my 2010 fusion hybrid util 2022 and about 150k with zero issues. The hybrid system is very reliable. It’s the same as Prius. It might have other electronic problems but I think drivetrain should last 200k easily

 

[stepank]

Do you have a source for this? I had trouble finding the historical use of ecvts in Fords & Toyotas, but far as I can tell, the 2nd generation Prius (2004-2009) used a planetary gear ecvt, and the 2009 Fusion was the first Ford with an evct.

(1997-2009) The first and second generation Toyota Prius (Gen 1/2) used a chain-driven eCVT system, while the third generation and later models (Gen 3+) use a power-split system that doesn't rely on a chain or a conventional CVT gearbox. (just google "which Prius ecvt used chain")


Ford began using eCVTs (electric Continuously Variable Transmissions) in the 2005 model year with the hybrid versions of the Ford Escape, Mercury Mariner, and Mazda Tribute. (just google "when ford start using eCVT")

 

[BigLog7]

I don’t trust any vehicles over 100k miles. That’s where I sell it to Carmax and put the money down on a new one. Every 6 years. I’ll be doing the same with my new Maverick.

You must have had some bad luck with vehicles. I'm sort of regretting trading in my 08 Honda Element for a new 25 Maverick because it had 200,000 miles on it and the mechanic said it was good for another 200,000. I thought using it as a trade in was prudent but we'll see. Before that I had another Honda that got 250,000 miles - on one clutch. I'm hoping my Ford can match those numbers as I really don't want to buy another vehicle when I'm retired and living on a budget.

 

[Jimmac]

First, I'm not sure if this is the right forum. Hopefully.

I really love the maverick size. and price is nice too. however, i currently drive a 08 gmc canyon 4 cylinder. it has 172k trouble free miles so far and thats basically all city driving (i bought it used in 2013 with 30k miles). well i've replaced a few things like a water pump over the years but all shadetree jobs.

my big concerns with the mav is with the turbo engine (I want the ecoboost, wont consider the hybrid) the mexico build, ford reputation (but then again as above, GMC doesnt have a great rep but mine is going strong), all the new technology in cars today, cheap build/price (altho i dont consider 25k cheap, i get it today it is). i've watched a few mechanic breakdown vids of the mav or other new ford models on yt and they're typically not too kind. i have to admit i often derogatorily think of the Mav as a "tinfoil truck" lol. otoh we have for example my dad who says cars today are generally more reliable than the past and i kinda agree with him there too. it's just the last few years with more environmental regulations and turbo engines i kinda wonder about.

the other big issue is a watched danieldeliverz videos a lot and he had a lot of issues iirc, the big one being his transmission went out (and it seemed ford dealer didnt even really know what to do since the model was just a couple years old at that point) that really spooked me. Yes he put a lot of miles on his but so what, it's not like 100k miles isn't 100k miles regardless over 2 yrs or 10.

the alternative would be to look at other mid size. which are generally huge and seem to be getting bigger, too big for my liking. The Nissan Frontier (which seems a bit smaller than Ranger/Colorado) is one I've looked at. Naturally aspirated 6. Main issues seem to be requires timing chain replace to replace the water pump (bad design) and heavy steering (just the way Nissan tuned it I guess). Theres always Tacoma, but I dont love the styling, and the price is getting up there.

i do love that the mav seems to be actually available for around 26k new now. wasnt the case a couple years ago when i looked at them.

so anyways any thoughts?

Well the drivetrain platform in the Maverick has plenty of history in other Ford vehicles and the only issue you might think is preventing reaching 200k and beyond is the head gasket. But that issue has also been addressed with a new block design starting in 2020 (some 2019s have the fix too but not all). I have 4 fords and 2 Chryslers with 300k+ running like perfect today, so I would take the wager the Mavericks will last 200k+ without too much issue, in fact I would probably take a wager for 300k+ too.

 

[shark978]

I don't know what horror stories you've been reading, but they seem to be ancient myths. Maybe you have had to replace the engine on your older GM product multiple times in its life, but you don't need to replace engines in a Ford or any other make that I can think of. My 87 Ranger for example, went 744k on the original engine and transmission. The hybrid drivetrain and running gear is stressed a lot less than other designs, which is why it is projected to last a lot longer. The hybrid-specific components have an 8y warranty on them, and I would expect them to go an awful lot more than that. Plus, they are the simplest parts that are most unlikely to fail.
Your Canyon gets a really bad 22mpg for what it is, and its not even that reliable. An F150 gets better. My hybrid routinely gets much better than the EPA numbers at 50mpg, so even if I possibly needed a $1700 drive battery every (say) 12 years, that's pretty easy to swallow. Getting 200k out of a set of brakepads is also nice.

First of all, what are you talking about? I specifically said my Canyon has 172k trouble free miles.

your 87 ranger was a non-hybrid, so it's reasonable it could make it much farther. your hybrid battery will be replaced 5+ times over a 38 year span from 87. at 10k+ per.

if you go on auto trader and search for over 300k miles vehicles you will find almost few for sale. 744k is completely nuts.

The 8 yr warranty is simply because that much is required by federal law because of their unreliability and expensive battery issues people didnt want to buy hybrids, so this was the federal response to try to assuage consumers while still catering to automakers. ford has no choice there. And Ford knows the hybrid battery and motor are likely to fail shortly after 8 years. Otherwise they would offer a longer warranty to appease people like me. But they dont. also, the warranty specifically states they are not required to restore the battery to new capacity (all batteries degrade and lose battery capacity over time, chemistry is undefeated). so they will replace your degraded battery with a lower capacity refurb. that language is in the warranty specifically for a reason.

i dont think your hybrid gets 50mpg. unless you are doing some insane driving habits and even then its simply not possible. most real world accounts that i've seen put the mav hybrid at maybe 33 mpg. not really much more than the Eco boost, but less power and reliability. even ford never really wants to sell the hybrid maverick, they dragged their feet and made ecoboost the default throughout. it's just required to have so many mpg in their fleet under epa rules.

 

[MetalsGeek]

I think you'll find that ALL the newer cars are rolling computer networks, with multiple CAN buses and dozens of modules dependent upon them. IMHO this makes your climate a greater concern, since corrosion in connectors can cause lots of problems that are very difficult to diagnose. So... if you do your own maintenance, you will have to make your peace with newer technology and decide whether you want to keep up. e.g. You will need a decent OBD-II code reader. You can't even rotate your tires anymore without a TPMS 19 tool. If you want to work on your brakes, you need to disable the system, and don't expect to be able to do your own purge. And so on, etc. Ford does not want you turning your own wrenches. The factory service manual (delivered on a thumb drive) is a pale shadow of Ford's past manuals, and not good for much. It has very little usable info on selected systems only, NO theory of operation, and is heavily reliant on dealer-level scan tools. The printed paperback schematic book is MUCH better, but still not perfect. That being said, the "eCVT" transmission is a marvel of simplicity and should last a very long time. The brake pads on a hybrid may last the life of the vehicle; certainly past multiple fluid flushes. So, despite the fact that hybrids have a lot more things under the hood (like dual coolant tanks), maintenance on these is less than you're used to, except perhaps for engine oil which in my case does not often get hot and therefore must be changed often. So... many of your concerns are common to ALL "new" vehicles, not just the Maverick. I get 45+ MPG in mild weather (no heater) so that earns some forgiveness.

 

[Rick65]

@shark978

In my opinion: the Hybrid will be the better choice for longevity, and I expect mine to easily last 200k+., likely well beyond that.

I'm at 70k miles now on my 2022 Maverick Hybrid.

The hybrid HF45 transaxle ("transmission") is based on the already proven HF35 and has been used in the CMax and Escape hybrids for years. I'm not expecting any issues with it. Just change the fluid, I did mine at 50k, and will do the next change at 100k. This transaxle is basically what's in a Prius: no clutches, no solenoids, no nothing in there to break really. It is far simpler than a conventional transmission.

The Hybrid's engine is a Mazda designed L series 2.5 liter, port injected, non-turbo. This engine has a truly stellar reputation over a couple of decades and is used in many Mazda and some Ford models. Ford licenced the design and now calls it "Duratec". Non-turbo means less general stress on the engine and typically less chance of increased oil consumption, and port injection means no carbon buildup in the intakes. I change my oil at roughly 6500 mile intervals.

And with the Hybrid you have no starter motor and alternator to worry about (the hybrid drive motors in the transaxle take on those roles). The Hybrid's brakes should typically easily last 150k+ miles.

Issues with the Hybrid mostly come down to the stock 12v battery not being able to keep up (simple fix is replacing it with a $140 AGM battery) and the drive axles which Ford now has much beefier updated versions for that are likely gonna outlast the truck. The '25s should already come with upgraded axles. My '22 axles were upgraded under warranty.

The Hybrid (pretty small) high voltage traction battery will almost certainly last the life of the vehicle. But even in the unlikely event that this battery takes a dump at high miles replacement or refurbishment at that time will be significantly cheaper than a conventional transmission replacement would be. Note that Lithium batteries have proven themselves well over the years and the liquid cooled Maverick Hybrid battery should outlast comparable air-cooled Toyota hybrid batteries which are already highly reliable.

Cheers!

You should be a salesman for the hybrid model. You got me wanting to trade my FX4 in for a hybrid now, and I love my truck.

 

[Rick65]

OP, looks like you have already decided on the EcoBoost. That being the case, remember the '25 has dual injection (both Direct and Port) eliminating the potential carbon built up problems. It probably offers other improvements also, as much changed on it. This engine should prove even more reliable than it's predecessor.
I still bank on the hybrid with also a new transmission for '25 for long term reliability. Battery replacement, several years down the road will be cheap compared to today, especially as the replacement industry grows with all the hybrids currently being sold. (Example is my nephew with 2011 Prius replacing his battery pack with guaranteed rebuilt one for $1200, yes he did do the replacement himself. He's a machinest, not an electrician or in the auto repair industry.)
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Other than people saying that on here about the ‘25s having dual injection, I can’t find any evidence of this. Is there an official statement about this from Ford? Same for the beefier CV axles. Where is this posted?

 

[Rick65]

OP - keep in mind DanielDeliverz beat the crap out of his Mav, off-roading, pulling trucks stuck in snow, etc, not surprising his tranny went out, and how was his maintenance?

 

[Carlitos_92]

…You can't even rotate your tires anymore without a TPMS 19 tool.

I agree 100% with the spirit of your post, but this one bit is not true at all.

 

[Waterick]

Other than people saying that on here about the ‘25s having dual injection, I can’t find any evidence of this. Is there an official statement about this from Ford? Same for the beefier CV axles. Where is this posted?

There have been Ford service documents/diagrams posted on here reflecting this IIRC, but I think Ford is still keeping the info mostly to themselves so as to not disrupt pre MY'25 sales. Just my guess.

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