Id rather have a PHEV Maverick

[Exranger]

Wow lots of opinions on this topic. My Mav is an EB for awd. My wife has a PHEV Fusion Energi. 2016 cert used. Purchased for $14.5 k a few years ago when you could dicker on a car price and win. We bought it as she had a 45 mile commute and it gets about 42mpg and I s a fairly big safe car.

So...

It goes up to 20 miles on a charge, then ice kicks in. You can choose 3 modes to save batt till later or automatically.

Yes you can go entirely on battery for that distance, as long as you don’t go over 85, then motor kicks on.

If you crank AC the motor may start.

If you floor it the ice kicks in

EV only acceleration is brisk and healthy.
Extremely quiet too, no buzzing or whining.

It charges on a 120 volt outlet with a heavy duty extension cord. It has its own charger you can take with you. It charges in 8 hours, or 3 hours on a commercial charger.

Very trouble free system she has driven it over 60,000 miles so far. Yes she is kind of tough on equipment

Main problem so far was trans pump failure @120,000 mi., which was covered by 15year /150k warranty. It was repaired last summer.

I agree this PHEV style of vehicle is an excellent choice for now and the next while of evolution for the industry. No range anxiety and efficient use of resources.

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[surfstar]

Yes, the personal choice of making others pay for what you decided to buy.

I will never buy a complete EV. Unfortunately I live in a state that is not mandating me to buy a specific date.

Awesome to hear that the oil and gas industry is no longer government (taxpayer) subsidized. When did this happen?


Also, some very wrong info regarding PHEV. A plug-in hybrid can run 100% on electric, with no engine operation. For the majority of Americans who drive less than 40 miles a day, a PHEV could make a lot of the driving on pure electric. Makes total sense. Local commuter/errand vehicle.
No need for a level 2 charger. 120v is fine.

 

[Blue1005]

Awesome to hear that the oil and gas industry is no longer government (taxpayer) subsidized. When did this happen?


Also, some very wrong info regarding PHEV. A plug-in hybrid can run 100% on electric, with no engine operation. For the majority of Americans who drive less than 40 miles a day, a PHEV could make a lot of the driving on pure electric. Makes total sense. Local commuter/errand vehicle.
No need for a level 2 charger. 120v is fine.

So you're talking about Evies and then complaining about subsidies that's fairly ironic I wonder if you picked up on that one

 

[surfstar]

So you're talking about Evies and then complaining about subsidies that's fairly ironic I wonder if you picked up on that one

That was my point exactly.
People like to think that fossil fuels aren't subsidized.

 

[Blue1005]

That was my point exactly.
People like to think that fossil fuels aren't subsidized.

Yeah, it's almost like there should be a free market economy where the market decides what people want not government subsidies. Totally agree with you there.

 

[surfstar]

Yeah, it's almost like there should be a free market economy where the market decides what people want not government subsidies. Totally agree with you there.

I feel the same regarding tax deductions for charity/religious/etc. That's widespread tax payer contributions to organizations that individual tax payers may not wish to support.

 

[Blue1005]

I feel the same regarding tax deductions for charity/religious/etc. That's widespread tax payer contributions to organizations that individual tax payers may not wish to support.

I will one up you, I am a hardcore crazy dude that think all taxation is theft. See what Americans really want when we voluntarily pay for services.

 

[LSchicago]

for those fortunate folks with access to 'at home' vehicle charging i agree 100%

But.... fully 40% of Americans live where at home charging is just not a option according to the 2020 US Census, and FAR more folks worry that they'll run out of juice on that occasional 'road trip'. thats a problem for the full electrification of our passenger vehicle fleet.
think apartment dwellers: condo / townhouse owners and such. how or where are they supposed to plug in to recharge their vehces?

thats why i beleive BHEV's fill a pressing need.
with them drivers can get DRAMATICLY increased MPG along with reduced tailpipe emissions along with zero 'range anxiety' .
an added benefit for battery hybrid electric vehicles like our hybrid Mav is that they are well suited to take advantage of the massive existing fossil fuel infrastucrture while at the same time reducing dependence on said infrastructre while we transistion to our seemingly inevitable electric vehicle future.
BHEV's also make sense when you learn that the raw materials needed for ONE 250 mile range PEV are sufficient for some NINETY BHEV's. the procurement & processing of the raw materials needed are VERY enviormentally damaging and VERY expensive as well as VERY hazardous to mine & refine.
my reference comes from the CEO of Toyota who is almost evangelical is his belief that BHEV are a better way forward in society's quest to lessen fossil fuel dependency. i totally agree with him. until when or if we develop the needed technology and infrastructure to make' pure' electric transportation a reality.

Great performance, great MPG, no need to plug it in. whats not to like?

I could plug in at home, or at work.

 

[RedRider]

I really want a PHEV trucklette also, but 90% more batteries is gonna cost a whole lot more. Only other downside is we have electric car and one charger, so there would be driveway fights for the plug. Adding another plug means sub panel and a bunch of other costs don’t feel like dealing with at the mo.

Probably just enjoy the hybrid and be done with it. Also daily commutes are low mileage, I could actually see the gas going bad from lack of the ice ever coming on, lol

A PHEV is not 90% more battery, its 900% more. It will cost at least twice the price, can't handle any load without seriously de-rating the range (just like the Lightning), and can't haul nearly as much with that battery weight. Give your head a shake.

 

[ScorpioST]

A PHEV is not 90% more battery, its 900% more. It will cost at least twice the price, can't handle any load without seriously de-rating the range (just like the Lightning), and can't haul nearly as much with that battery weight. Give your head a shake.

Give my head a shake. WTF for because I missed a zero. How about we meet up and see who's head gets shook

 

[Eagle11]

Yeah, it's almost like there should be a free market economy where the market decides what people want not government subsidies. Totally agree with you there.

Tell that the Tobacco farmers

 

[Blue1005]

Tell that the Tobacco farmers

I tell that to everybody, I would rather not sell half of my life to appease the overlords

 

[BluegrassNbass]

I could plug in at home, or at work.

Someone could unplug it too. Or the breaker trips. I like to leave my appliances that need plugged in at home.

 

[LSchicago]

Someone could unplug it too. Or the breaker trips. I like to leave my appliances that need plugged in at home.

No one is unplugging it in my garage. And my truck is on Camera at work. Monitor is right above my desk. That is the least of my concerns. PHEV can use a standard 120V outlet too.

 

[MarcoG]

I agree that a PHEV would be very attractive. I have a 13 mile commute to work so I'd use the gas engine only for out of town trips. What little I've looked into it, a PHEV might effectively charge overnight on 120, so the cost of another 220 line wouldn't be a factor.

But there's no free lunch. It would be heavier, costlier, the batteries would eat up interior volume and payload. I wouldn't want the truck to get bigger so upsizing it to accommodate the batteries isn't attractive. And I don't think I'd be prepared to pay $40k for an XLT/Lux.

So basically, while I'd like a PHEV, I don't think i would have ordered a PHEV Mav if it had been offered. The low cost and small size were critical to getting me out of my historical sport sedan/coupes. For $40k, I'd still be looking for a fun car.

I have a phev Cmax and the hybrid Mav. I do 80 percent city and 20 percent highway. Chargevreligiously, get 21.miles electric in the Cmax. Two things. One, l average 50 mph overall in the Cmax with that 80-20 percent driving. That extra 10 mpg over the 39-40mpg l'm getting with the Maverick cost me 1.50 a day at 25 cents a KWh, so 45 dollars a month for 10 more mpg. Drive 12,000 year at 40 mpg osting 5.25 in CA now or or another 540 dollars to get 50, and you won't get 38 39 on the road because the phev weighs more. No, the next step from an efficient hybrid is not phev unless it's a 50 mile phev like the new Mercedes models...and you do 90 driving percent in town. The hiway drop in mpg for phev kills the entire reason to have one. A hybrid Mav and an electric car is the best combo. Otherwise...buy for where you drive.

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