Fulfilling 2022 orders

[710-oil-614]

I don't remember your post specifically. But I've responded to similar posts that claim "not all" orders will be fulfilled. Not with a "skewer," just with a comment.

Saying "not all MY22 orders would be fulfilled" isn't really saying very much. It's true if just one lonely Maverick order doesn't get delivered. It's kind of like predicting that there will be at least one penalty in an NFL game. You'll probably be right, but it doesn't tell us much.

On the other hand, it would be saying a lot to predict that more than X thousand orders won't be built, or more than XX% of orders won't be built, or absolutely no more hybrid orders will be built. Predictions like that are more meaningful but much harder to support.

It would be interesting to see someone make a solid prediction and explain how they figured it out. The predictions I've seen so far have been based on widely varying estimates of the number of orders and Ford's remaining MY22 production capacity. (See this thread for example)

Not just one. Thousands of MY22 orders won't get built as MY22.

Only 4,300 out of 7,500 Bronco First Editions were built. They couldn't get even built all of the damned First Editions!

So I'd say roughly 10k orders will get bumped to MY23, at minimum.

EDIT: Oh good, we're back to laughing at very real possibilities.

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[olderbudwiser]

Periodically a member describes an issue they are having with their Maverick. Sometimes a person(s) replies send me your vin, name and dealer so I (we) can investigate.

Am I dreaming, since Ford is supposedly reading and trying to help?? It would be a positive if they supplied some clarity on this allocation thingy.

Is this too much to ask or expect?

 

[Old Ranchero]

Thank you @fordvideoguy for answering my question on your live stream tonight. You made it very clear for me to understand. You rock.

for those of us that didn't catch it, can you summarize his explanation? Thanks.

 

[Old Ranchero]

This is a smart way to do it...which I absolutely hate. This shouldn't even be allowed or legal. It fucks everyone up, it hurts allocations and the small dealerships, and is the reason why my June 10th order hasn't been scheduled yet and was rolled over to a 2023.

Also, I actually wish Ford ONLY took high value NON REFUNDABLE deposits of at least $3000 or more. That way, people would stop making multiple orders and Ford could actually prioritize and know exactly how many trucks they need to make for orders. I never made a deposit so Ford or my dealership has no reason to give a shit about me.

I want them to have a reason.

you have official confirmation from Ford your order has been rolled over? If so, you would be the 1st one I know of that got rolled...

 

[DryHeat]

So I'd say roughly 10k orders will get bumped to MY23, at minimum.

Do you have any good info on how many actual orders there are or what total MY22 production will be?

Or are you just estimating a difference of 10k between orders and builds based on your experience with the Bronco?

 

[Churaumi]

I remember a time on here not so long ago when people would skewer me for saying with certainty that not all MY22 orders would be fulfilled...

Somewhere here there's a thread where I got jumped all over for saying Ford would push out fleet orders preferentially to retail orders to keep regular fleet buyers happy. While I still can't prove it, there's plenty of pics around of fleets of Mavericks parked together to back me up.

 

[710-oil-614]

Do you have any good info on how many actual orders there are or what total MY22 production will be?

Or are you just estimating a difference of 10k between orders and builds based on your experience with the Bronco?

Look at the Hermosillo plant and the thousands of Mavericks sitting outside of it. It mirrors the holding lots chalk full of Broncos.

Who knows what the future holds but look at the production numbers of Mavericks since December and extrapolate that out over the year if Ford only comes up 10k orders short that would be a f*ckin miracle!

For example - the month of March production numbers are supposed to be 5,400 Mavericks. At that rate they would only build 65,000 mavericks on the year. The fact they are going to ship incomplete Mavericks shows the module shortage and other materials and supply chain issues aren't getting solved in MY22.

 

[maggie06]

I remember a time on here not so long ago when people would skewer me for saying with certainty that not all MY22 orders would be fulfilled...

Well, you haven't Been vindicated Yet. The jury's still Out.

 

[Mite-o-Dan]

you have official confirmation from Ford your order has been rolled over? If so, you would be the 1st one I know of that got rolled...

I was notified Jan 28th by my local manager. He made a lot of calls that day because he wasn't getting anymore 2022 hybrid orders for the rest of this year. Since then, lots of dealership managers have told others around the USA, almost primarily hybrid orders from small dealerships, that their order was rolled over. I made a trending post about it here on that day. Everyone keeps asking for proof...as if Ford had ever sent ANYTHING. I ordered June 10th and haven't received a single email or update from Ford, not even the bullshit email sent out last Friday. And yes, I have called Ford Customer Service many times and confirmed my order and email address...all is still good. Last time I called was 2 weeks ago. Was told my order is good to go since June 10th and I'm still in the queue. The only limitation I ever had was a spray in bedliner I removed back in late December.

In ordered June 10th 2021. My BEST case scenario if there are no delays...I finally get my Maverick 18 months later this December. Since I highly doubt there will be no delays or my small dealership getting 2023s first...a better estimate is a 20 month wait.

 

[710-oil-614]

Well, you haven't Been vindicated Yet. The jury's still Out.

LOL must have been one doing the skewering.

 

[maggie06]

LOL must have been one doing the skewering.

Not me, and depending on what else happens during This wonderful year we're having, you could be spot on. I know how disappointed I would be if pushed to next year, so if it happens I hope the numbers are kept to a minimum .

 

[CactusJack]

Theoretically sure you could wait for years. It hasn't been built yet and you have no sure way of ascertaining when that will happen. But what is much, much more likely to happen is that your vehicle will get built within a year (or much less), since you've already ordered and are waiting in line.
I ordered October 30 and mine is getting built this week. My dealer is just a normal type of midsized suburbia Ford dealer, I don't think they are a secret powerhouse dealer or something. That isn't a useful data point to you, I understand, but they are making them and delivering them.

Hybrid or Ecoboost?

 

[Philemon]

This is a smart way to do it...which I absolutely hate. This shouldn't even be allowed or legal. It fucks everyone up, it hurts allocations and the small dealerships, and is the reason why my June 10th order hasn't been scheduled yet and was rolled over to a 2023.

Also, I actually wish Ford ONLY took high value NON REFUNDABLE deposits of at least $3000 or more. That way, people would stop making multiple orders and Ford could actually prioritize and know exactly how many trucks they need to make for orders. I never made a deposit so Ford or my dealership has no reason to give a shit about me.

I want them to have a reason.

1. Having your non refundable deposit wouldn't make them care any more about your order. They would prefer you walk away, they pocket the $3k and sell it to the next customer for $5-$10k ADM
2. I don't typically plan on having cash not working for me. I pay down my vehicles quickly an use the residual value for my down payment. Not everyone (especially people ordering an inexpensive vehicle) can afford to tie up thousands of dollars.
3. Dealers are Ford's customers, unfortunately so they get taken care of based on their value to Ford. I think multiple orders are not hurting you as much as you assume they are. Big dealers were gonna get those allocations as retail orders if they didn't get them as customer orders.

Cheers!

 

[DryHeat]

Look at the Hermosillo plant and the thousands of Mavericks sitting outside of it. It mirrors the holding lots chalk full of Broncos.

Who knows what the future holds but look at the production numbers of Mavericks since December and extrapolate that out over the year if Ford only comes up 10k orders short that would be a f*ckin miracle!

For example - the month of March production numbers are supposed to be 5,400 Mavericks. At that rate they would only build 65,000 mavericks on the year.

Is there some new photography of the Hermosillo plant available? Someone showed an aerial photo a while back but it turned out it was from October 2021, before the OKTB allowed Hybrid shipping. Have you seen something more recent?

I don't have the production numbers for February. (Do you have them? I can't find them.) But I do have them through January (37,722). If you assume that February through August will be about 5400 a month (with no September production), that comes to 72,000 (not 65,000) total production for the model year. (See calculations here.)

From your response, I take it that you -- like the rest of us (except Ford) -- don't have anything solid on the number of actual orders. That's a big piece of the puzzle that no one seems to be able to find. It would really help if Ford would release that info.

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