First Sight! $30k Midsize EV Pickup Prototype

[Chops]

It's just going to get better and better for EVs, and only an enthusiast would think of buying a ICE vehicle, if any are still offered.

Agree completely. There were about 20 million horses in the US in the early 1900’s - now there are about 5 million.

As long as you obey traffic rules, it is still legal to ride a horse on the street here in AZ. Nobody does - but you could if you wanted.

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[Prickly Pear]

A little off topic, but I recently saw where some drive-in diners are putting in charging stations, which I think is a fantastic idea. It sure gives an answer to "what am I going to do with the half hour I have to waste charging an EV on a trip"?

 

[Blue_Max]

“Feeling you’re being forced” does not mean actually being forced.

Volvo and the EU can definitely give some people that feeling. Market demands and consumer pushback sparked by that feeling have been successful so far in preserving the ICE.

A big delay in widespread adoption of EVs is lack of planning. I suspect lots more people would embrace EVs if there was widespread charging infrastructure. It would also help if there were industry-standard batteries and charger interfaces.

 

[Blue_Max]

A little off topic, but I recently saw where some drive-in diners are putting in charging stations, which I think is a fantastic idea. It sure gives an answer to "what am I going to do with the half hour I have to waste charging an EV on a trip"?

I certainly know of one such diner.
https://www.tesla.com/tesla-diner

 

[Chops]

A big delay in widespread adoption of EVs is lack of planning. I suspect lots more people would embrace EVs if there was widespread charging infrastructure. It would also help if there were industry-standard batteries and charger interfaces.

Not to mention all the fossil fuel required to help generate the electricity for the charging stations.

 

[Prickly Pear]

I certainly know of one such diner.
https://www.tesla.com/tesla-diner

God - the thought of eating at Elon's makes me want to lose my lunch. I didn't realize that Tesla was doing that too. The article I read related to Popeyes and a few others.

 

[scotty]

The points that burns my biscuit are threefold.

1: charging away from home costs a shit ton more and the guv is up charging EV’s I hear.

2: Range under load, A/C blasting, truck bed with 500 pounds of crap in it.
Heating up the cabin and keeping the lithium warm in the winter often cuts range by 50%

3:All EV’s should have a battery platform that allows the customer to add cells at home.
Going on a trip, get that second battery plugged in next to the primary, at home in the garage.

OR

Like you plug in a Ryobi 40 volt.
Say each one adds 25 miles of range. Plug in four, you should have slots for that.
Then throw four more in the truck for swap outs.
Stock range 350 miles, plus 100 miles for the four packs you plugged in.
Plus the extra packs you charge.

Take your eight removables in your hotel room with a charger or chargers to fully charge your packs.
Charger or chargers, plus the 8 batteries should all fit in a couple of boxes hauled in the room on a small foldable. luggage hand cart.

550 Mile total range is possible,
At least 450.
That and a quick one hour charge at your lunch stop should net a total daily range of
600 to 700 miles.

We’re talking about pick up truck here.
I have me a small digital gas generator in the back and a five gallon Jerry can of gas.
For the out back.
:’P

A customer could buy the extra small charger or chargers and the batteries along the way as needed. One at a time.

Lots if pre existing tech out there.

Like all you said

 

[Prickly Pear]

Not to mention all the fossil fuel required to help generate the electricity for the charging stations.

You would want to do your own research, but I believe generating electricity with fossil fuels, transmitting it, and consuming it in an EV is still more efficient (even if it is close) than burning gasoline in an ICE vehicle. Throw in the portions of US electricity that comes from hydro, wind, solar and even nuclear, and that efficiency difference becomes greater.

 

[kevinmccune]

Nope but plenty of glass metal and plastic in your entire front body, face and legs all mangled up

make the sumbitch out of "urethane" ever watch the video on the "RSV" circa 1980? things can be made a heck of a lot safer.

 

[Bdesign]

mass BEV adoption requires 4 things:

1 lower cost of entry
2 lower charging times- same time to charge as to fill up with gas
3 infrastructure that allows you to pull into any gas station and go to a charging station
4 350 miles of range on a charge

 

[Surly Old Bill]

A big delay in widespread adoption of EVs is lack of planning. I suspect lots more people would embrace EVs if there was widespread charging infrastructure. It would also help if there were industry-standard batteries and charger interfaces.

My favorite off topic dead horse to beat: where I live electricity is so expensive that it's cheaper per mile to drive my 45mpg Mav than it is to drive the Fiat 500e. Even at the current Trumpflated $5-6/gal gas. PG&E charges about 50 cents per kWh here, cuz they are a monopoly and can.

But to swing it back to topic, this new Ford EV "pickup" might be groundbreaking if it hits the market before other companies can cobble together something competitive sooner. It only takes about 5-7 years to develop a vehicle and get it to market.

 

[Cherokee]

You would want to do your own research, but I believe generating electricity with fossil fuels, transmitting it, and consuming it in an EV is still more efficient (even if it is close) than burning gasoline in an ICE vehicle. Throw in the portions of US electricity that comes from hydro, wind, solar and even nuclear, and that efficiency difference becomes greater.

Hydro, about max capacity already due to topography.

Wind, the land man explained that. 20 years to recoup the cost of those giant windmills.
Maintenance, upkeep, destroys the efficiency ratio. They are used to power oil wells where there is no power.

Solar is so extremely NOT efficient or every house would have that crap on the roof.
I think it was 30% at BEST.

Nuclear,
Can you say Three Mile island ?

Or Chernobyl ?

I did the math. The Chernobyl reactor sitting under that pile of rubble has a half life of 5,500 years. It’s so hot it turned concrete to sand. We have to continually drop concrete on it.
From the air,
The poison zone is massive, no one can live there, for ever.

If the oil runs out and we have not found something better 3/4’s of the world population
STARVES to death.

Did you know India buys our old cooking oil by the tanker load ?
I worked the port, seen it with my own eyes.
They cook with it and burn it in their cars.

Solar will work but only if we get the collectors into fixed orbits.

One of the many reasons Elon Is building factories to produce 100 heavy lift rockets a month.
We are running out of time. But as long as we can get shiny new trucks and cell phones we get to remain happy blissful idiots to the end.

Sorry about that, some of us look at the big picture.
It would be wise to add me to your ignore list, then go buy a shiny new EV and have fun.

 

[Prickly Pear]

Yeah, you got me - if only I had an open mind...

I only mentioned nuclear as the current administration has been pushing new reactors. If you want to question my source as possibly being too left leaning, it comes from the current administration!

https://www.energy.gov/ne/articles/8-big-wins-nuclear-trump-administrations-first-year

You are right about hydro being maxed out, and the environmental push has been to tear down dams, but I live in the PNW and we for the time being have cheaper electricity thanks to our rivers.
And about windmills - if Billy Bob Thornton takes a crap on them in a TV series about Big Oil, I guess I stand corrected

 

[Chops]

Hydro, about max capacity already due to topography.

Wind, the land man explained that. 20 years to recoup the cost of those giant windmills.
Maintenance, upkeep, destroys the efficiency ratio. They are used to power oil wells where there is no power.

Solar is so extremely NOT efficient or every house would have that crap on the roof.
I think it was 30% at BEST.

Nuclear,
Can you say Three Mile island ?

Or Chernobyl ?

I did the math. The Chernobyl reactor sitting under that pile of rubble has a half life of 5,500 years. It’s so hot it turned concrete to sand. We have to continually drop concrete on it.
From the air,
The poison zone is massive, no one can live there, for ever.

If the oil runs out and we have not found something better 3/4’s of the world population
STARVES to death.

Did you know India buys our old cooking oil by the tanker load ?
I worked the port, seen it with my own eyes.
They cook with it and burn it in their cars.

Solar will work but only if we get the collectors into fixed orbits.

One of the many reasons Elon Is building factories to produce 100 heavy lift rockets a month.
We are running out of time. But as long as we can get shiny new trucks and cell phones we get to remain happy blissful idiots to the end.

Sorry about that, some of us look at the big picture.
It would be wise to add me to your ignore list, then go buy a shiny new EV and have fun.

Not to mention the megatons of coal required to build solar panels. And build a dam or windmill without using fossils? In your sweet dreams maybe

 

[OleFordGuy]

make the sumbitch out of "urethane" ever watch the video on the "RSV" circa 1980? things can be made a heck of a lot safer.

No doubt most anything can be built better and safer, my view as things are now, take a heavy/big object whether that's a large car, truck, ev, whatever with momentum going head on with Telco and one is history, there's hardly much of anything between the Telco occupants and the heavy/big object running straight into their then squashed body. Order the tombstone/urn Just my thoughts/2 cents

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