Frankly, I'd rather see more posts asking about what the card slot is behind the mode buttons... than argue about a non-existent EV Maverick and how all the big city folks think they are the cat's meow.... Anything else we would like to passionately argue about which only exists in the minds of the few?
This all just tells me how little you understand about the world, our infrastructure, my post, and how complacent you are. I never said solar panels are a rip off btw. Pay attention. You are all over the place with this ADHD like rant.
Well if we look at context, I’m not sure any of those companies make any money on ev except Tesla. Tesla is an odd o e because it’s a lifestyle brand not just cars. Government shouldn’t be helping any company. It leads to more and more tax dollars. Government gives billions, ford bend over for the union and gave them massive contracts. Why they know they are to big to fail, so we the taxpayers are again bailing out bad ideas being forced. Organic growth of any industry is best.
Oh you're one of them. You're assuming that because I'm not an old man yelling at a cloud that I live Manhattan or in a city and I need to go touch him grass like real Americans...lol. I'm in the suburbs. I just cut my grass yesterday. You're arguing that EVs don't work for someone who lives in Montana on top of a mountain, 7 hours away from a hospital. And I agree with you. They're not the best choice there. You're arguing that they're okay for people who live in cities and the suburbs, which is where 95% of people live. So yes, I don't buy equipment for milking cows because I don't own cows. I'm sorry if it's a rant to you and you can't keep up, but there's a lot to dig into when you're talking a lot of nonsense.
Do me a favor and explain to me the real world from you know a real American and explain to me how infrastructure works. And explain to me how it seems the rest of the world can do it. But America is full of a bunch of old farts who think we can't do anything anymore. It's really sad
Yeah them there big city folks. They ain't real 'murricans like us out here in the country. Yep yep you know some of them people think one day we're going to have big flat screen color TVs and all that silly nonsense. And you'll be able to hold a phone in your hand and use things like GPS, whatever that is.......lol. FWIW EVs are much better in the suburbs than the city as many people in the city don't have a place to charge at home. Most people in the suburbs have a driveway or a garage where they can plug it in at night and unplug it in the morning
The Wright brothers didn't get us to the moon though the government did. Would have been pretty difficult for a private company and a couple of Brothers on a beach to come up with that kind of cash. Same with nuclear weapons, the military that ended world war II in our favor, etc. taxpayers help the airline industry all the time, they build airports, they build the infrastructure for the planes to get their materials, air traffic control, regulations, etc.
That’s pretty revisionist history. Fact is flight was done without a huge budget. Government spent a fortune. That same government that got us to space couldn’t figure out ho to land a rocket. Musk did.The Wright brothers didn't get us to the moon though the government did. Would have been pretty difficult for a private company and a couple of Brothers on a beach to come up with that kind of cash. Same with nuclear weapons, the military that ended world war II in our favor, etc. If the world was simpler and countries like China weren't helping their businesses. I might agree with you a bit more there, but that's not the world we live in now. You're going to be bailing Ford out again, unless we let them go under or get bought, not because the unions make more than someone at 7-Eleven but because their products are going to be uncompetitive. They're pulling out a worldwide markets like Europe, China, basically failing there. They're going to be limited to a North American company only and then when the cheaper imports come in they'll be gone. The big 3 we're at their peak when they were almost entirely Union and today labor is a small cost in making a vehicle
You're being intellectually inconsistent. You're against companies being helped by the government, but SpaceX has been helped massively by the government. Not Musk either. He has teams of engineers. He is not an engineer. Tesla is also largely irrelevant as the Koreans, the Chinese and the Germans are more likely to last than Tesla. It's not. Revision is history. NASA is a government institution and they are the ones who got us on the moon. The original rocket design was done by the German government in world war II, the V2 rocket. Certain things take a certain amount of capital and risk that a company that is for-profit will never take. SpaceX would not be in business if the government wasn't funding them. Businessman like more of a sure thing in an investment. The government, theoretically, is working for all of our greater good as citizens and therefore are willing to spend money on things that are a loss like running electricity out into the middle of the woods for poor country folk who never would have electricity to this day because the electric companies would take 300 years to make the money back from running all the poles, transformers etc to one house. So it's a case of render unto Caesar what is his etc
The government forces us to do or not do things. That's what a government is. You're just used to some of it. You're not allowed to drink and drive because you might hurt others, the theory here whether you agree with it or not is that burning fuels is bad for the environment. You're being forced to have environmental controls on your car. It's just an extenuation of that with a different tech. The government doesn't allow you to drive 100 mph down a residential Street or walk naked down that street even though you're not hurting anybody, but people would be offended... The government doesn't let you do whatever you want with the property you own. I paid my house off and I don't have a mortgage but I can't turn it into a bar. Local code would prevent it. I can't make it into a nuclear waste dump because the government has decided I would likely give my neighbors cancer and kill them. It's just it's something new so it's it's bothering you more. And it's also affecting something you like. You're not being forced anyway. If the tech isn't there, you'll still be able to buy a gas car 10 years from now. As for the people who say it will never happen, they're more likely using their limited Outlook and thinking it will never happen in their lifetime. Never is a long time. It might not happen in your lifetime but 300 years from now we're not going to be driving around in EcoBoost engines burning gas
Also, I'm glad you brought up SpaceX because that's more government involved and heavy-handed than this EV thing. The government is simply setting emission standards that gas cars can't meet. They're not building the car. They are not paying Ford to build an EV. People who voluntarily buy Fords are funding it. There is no United States government EV for sale like a NASA rocket, they're not paying Ford or GM to build the car. They're simply setting the standards and letting the market compete to try to meet that. SpaceX is funded by the government a lot more than any private car company. The government also has regulations and standards for SpaceX much like they do for cars.
Tesla makes money on their EVs because they challenged a lot of norms and practices in auto industry manufacturing. They were lucky that investors allowed them to burn hundreds of millions of dollars annually to streamline their manufacturing AND secure materials and supply chains to sustain increased production while reducing vehicles costs.
I might be hijacking the thread because I enjoy the discussion, but just wanted to put it out there that I'm not heated. I'm having a good discussion with Snox even though I don't agree with him totally. I probably agree with him more than he realizes its a question of degree though. But when other people refer to me as a know-nothing City person who don't even know me that is a bit annoying but at the end of the day I don't care. I mean if somebody wants to make the argument that EVs are only good for people who live in the cities and the suburbs and then turn around and say they're not good for most people ,if they can square that circle cheers to them
Touch grass is kinder than "go pound sand."
