🚨 2025 Maverick Debut! Pricing, Tech Specs, Order Guide, Wallpaper Photos, Videos

[colinl]

Damn. I'm having some buyers remorse on my 24 Lariat that I literally just came home with Monday.
Realizing a lot of the lariat features just don't offer much benefit to me and I wouldn't miss them.

order tomorrow and decide in a few months what you'll do. you have time to think about it.

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[Darnon]

I think the factor your missing is that the ICE can run at higher RPM where it produces less torque, but that horsepower can be driven into the generator rotor. That power is then shunted directly to the drive motor to supplement the torque output. In this fashion the drive motor can output more power than it would simply off the battery alone which is limited by wiring/discharge capacity of the cells. Remember, electric motors are particularly good at torque and any diesel guy will tell you torque is what matters when hauling.

 

[thevol]

no, actually, I do. I'm just pretty certain that producing more torque than the 2.5 alone can produce requires using HV battery.

works great in normal, in town driving. towing I bet it runs out of HV battery fast and cannot recharge it when there is a large, constant demand for torque.

... like I already mentioned.

I didn't mention the conservation of energy, that was Automate. but he is right. I know how it works when there's battery capacity OR the load / torque demand is low and the ICE can in fact generate enough to charge at the same time that a LOW amount of torque is generated by the transport motor.

Your description is correct and why I brought up something similar earlier in this thread. I dont usually get in arguments on car forums as its just a waste of time and most people want validation on whatever vehicle they own so they will skew things that way. It will be interesting to see a real world full load mountain test on TFL like I mentioned, that will tell me what I need to know before purchasing the hybrid AWD 4k. Im already a bit concerned at Fords ability to manufacture the hybrid drivetrain and develop the software but thats another issue entirely.

 

[colinl]

I think the factor your missing is that the ICE can run at higher RPM where it produces less torque, but that horsepower can be driven into the generator rotor. That power is then shunted directly to the drive motor to supplement the torque output. In this fashion the drive motor can output more power than it would simply off the battery alone which is limited by wiring/discharge capacity of the cells. Remember, electric motors are particularly good at torque and any diesel guy will tell you torque is what matters when hauling.

no, I'm not missing that.

let's say that it's demanding 200lbft. the stated max of the 2.5 Atkinson is 155 lbft, and the traction motor is 173 and let's assume these are literally true.

you know how quickly the HV battery depletes just driving. I don't know how quickly it depletes towing 4000 pounds, at this point, no one that knows can say.

if you're towing uphill and the demand is 200 lbft for more than 5 minutes - for more than 20- where is that coming from? the 2.5 only can give 155.

I do not believe that the 2.5 could give 155 and the generator use, let's say 55 of that, and then the traction motor instantly produces more than 55 pound feet.

if the torque demand were only 75 lbft that's very different. it's because the 2.5 can produce surplus torque used to charge the HV battery.

 

[The Real Maverick]

Colinl does not have a hybrid and does not care how they work. He has said that multiple times.

I will bet you pink slips that towing in tow/haul mode uses very little battery, and it actually reduces the instances of using the battery by increasing the amount of pedal input from the driver necessary to evoke battery boost, thereby "reserving" or "saving" stored battery energy for rare instances you need it, such as passing, accelerating up a freeway ramp, or emergency maneuvers.

IT DOES NOT deplete the battery quickly. While counter-intuitive, it keeps the battery more highly charged than other modes.

Now, if you choose to tow in normal or Slippery modes, it will deplete the battery.

Now, in either case, the engine will run, and most of the time, at a higher than usual RPM, to generate power to be sent directly to the traction motor.

Because there are things called "efficiency" and "power bands" and "mechanical advantage" that some people don't like to talk about.

Given the tools in the Maverick Hybrid, direct drive from the engine to the wheels is NOT USUALLY the best option.

The point being missed is:

AT 100% demand the battery will be drained.

The truck is almost never at 100% demand.

Towing 4k up a mountain will be somewhere around 50% to 60% demand.

 

[Vols44]

Since Ford knows the 25' won't make everyone happy you have a until the 8th to order a 24' or pass and let someone else enjoy a new truck.

 

[Pikey87]

I honestly didn't think they'd have AWD for the hybrid. 4k towing is a huge surprise. Ecoboost is a waste of time now. I wonder how popular XL AWD hybrids will be? I'm extremely happy with my 23 XL hybrid, but an AWD+4K hybrid XL is tempting.

 

[inline_five]

Your description is correct and why I brought up something similar earlier in this thread. I dont usually get in arguments on car forums as its just a waste of time and most people want validation on whatever vehicle they own so they will skew things that way. It will be interesting to see a real world full load mountain test on TFL like I mentioned, that will tell me what I need to know before purchasing the hybrid AWD 4k. Im already a bit concerned at Fords ability to manufacture the hybrid drivetrain and develop the software but thats another issue entirely.

You're definitely not alone in this thinking. At the end of the day it's a 160hp motor powering it. I have a mid-90's vehicle rated (in Europe) to 3300 lbs tow with 160hp, and I question that rating personally.

Using 60% power continuous to climb while towing, and doing it repeatedly, isn't going to result in a good long term result. But I don't really think people are buying a Maverick to tow 4,000 lbs across the Rockies weekly. If you're doing that, you're driving a full size truck.

But, if you're mostly towing on flat or slightly elevated terrain you're looking at maybe a constant 20%-30% power output. Done occasionally, I have no doubt the longevity will be good. It's nice the (official) capability is there.

The AWD is a simple system, it's not 4WD, and won't really improve offroad ability.

If Ford were willing to take a chance, they could further simplify production and just use the 2.5l hybrid as the only powerplant. Maybe they will after getting real world data for the next couple years, and just dump the Tremor at the end of this Gen I design when doing another upgrade in 2028.

 

[RoaringGorilla]

I have a smidge of buyer's remorse with my 2024! I guess I lucked out though - who would have thought Atlas Blue would become a unicorn?!

Does anyone know if Ford is keeping the stock audio system the same in the 2025? I have not seen information regarding the wattage of the standard audio system with the new Sync 4.

 

[pigsareus]

Damn. I'm having some buyers remorse on my 24 Lariat that I literally just came home with Monday.
Realizing a lot of the lariat features just don't offer much benefit to me and I wouldn't miss them.

bad timin

Since Ford knows the 25' won't make everyone happy you have a until the 8th to order a 24' or pass and let someone else enjoy a new truck.

as long as the 24 you order isn't an xl hybrid (they are way out of balance on that as it is), it's not a bad idea.

 

[Tone]

no, actually, I do. I'm just pretty certain that producing more torque than the 2.5 alone can produce requires using HV battery.

works great in normal, in town driving. towing I bet it runs out of HV battery fast and cannot recharge it when there is a large, constant demand for torque.

... like I already mentioned.

I didn't mention the conservation of energy, that was Automate. but he is right. I know how it works when there's battery capacity OR the load / torque demand is low and the ICE can in fact generate enough to charge at the same time that a LOW amount of torque is generated by the traction motor.

What “traction motor”? There’s ICE, Two electric motor/generators, battery, the planetary gears, and a controller. The battery doesn’t have to be in use for any particular speed or load. The battery can be used to add torque if needed, mostly for acceleration or to store braking energy. One electric motor can be driving the other directly without involving the battery. There will be some loss in that electric circuit due to heat loss just as there are losses in the drive train due to friction.

 

[The Real Maverick]

You're definitely not alone in this thinking. At the end of the day it's a 160hp motor powering it. I have a mid-90's vehicle rated (in Europe) to 3300 lbs tow with 160hp, and I question that rating personally.

Using 60% power continuous to climb while towing, and doing it repeatedly, isn't going to result in a good long term result. But I don't really think people are buying a Maverick to tow 4,000 lbs across the Rockies weekly. If you're doing that, you're driving a full size truck.

But, if you're mostly towing on flat or slightly elevated terrain you're looking at maybe a constant 20%-30% power output. Done occasionally, I have no doubt the longevity will be good. It's nice the (official) capability is there.

The AWD is a simple system, it's not 4WD, and won't really improve offroad ability.

If Ford were willing to take a chance, they could further simplify production and just use the 2.5l hybrid as the only powerplant. Maybe they will after getting real world data for the next couple years, and just dump the Tremor at the end of this Gen I design when doing another upgrade in 2028.

This echo's my sentiment as well.

It can pull more than people think it will pull. But most people are not going to do that full time with a small hybrid truck.

This small hybrid truck will meet my needs towing on occasional vacations, but it's primary duty is getting to and from work every day 50 weeks a year.

 

[Packer Bill]

Originally, I had no interest in a 25 Maverick. However, the new backup trailer assist feature is a game changer. Now, I am considering one. It has a lot of other nice new features, such the bigger screen, new engine (ECO), eruption green color and 360 camera.

 

[The Real Maverick]

The hybrid has enough power, enough torque, enough towing, for enough people, enough of the time, to be an incredibly versatile and capable vehicle.

The weakest link in my road testing was FWD would "break loose" pulling a heavy load uphill on unpaved roads.
Ford fixed that shortcoming for 2025.

Enough said.

 

[RedClayMaverick]

Yeah, yeah, yeah... All-Wheel Drive Hybrid, new towing options, a 13.2" display...

You're missing the really big news - Velocity Blue is back!!!

So where's my Area 51??

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