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What does the owners manual say as to the type of fuel the manufacturer recomends?
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I think anything you notice will be confirmation bias. You are looking for a "change" and your brain will find one to satisfy the desire.

Part of the reason I don't think you will see an actual change is that the truck is actively tuning itself constantly. It will adapt to the ignition profile/fuel mix/timing blah blah blah of the fuel and compensate so that it seems to us dumb humans like it is performing like it always has been. To prevent knocking, etc.... Will it need to "work less" with higher octane fuel? Maybe? But I don't think us humans would detect it without data loggers and spreadsheets and graphs of real-time data.
You are 100% correct. Brother in law is retired petroleum engineer. Worked in that big huge refinery in Newark. Told me exactly the same thing. He started out at the bottom ranks of management and was a junior executive when he retired. I believe him, he does know his stuff. He has never run anything but 87 in every vehicle he has owned. He did say racing applications are way different and sometimes the fuels for them have to be "tweaked". But not the average computer adjusted main stream factory engines. When I was a locomotive engineer for the railroad we used to laugh at people who would tell us gasoline at station "A" was Sooo much better gas than station "B". What they did not know, in Grand Junction (and most places) the fuel ALL came in on rail from the single factory in Commerce City, north of Denver. It's all the same gas. Some individual stations and brands would require a hand pour of different additives at the transfer terminals (where the big trucks pick it up at). Usually, nothing in those additives had anything to do with performance, although that little fable was used in marketing. Truck driver friends would tell me the same thing. People would always come up and tell him they liked this particular brand of gas much better than the other station and brand down the road. Mostly, he never told them that when he left this station, he went right down the street and pumped the same gas in their tanks. As the old saying goes, "you don't always get what you pay for" All of this said, I did run 90 or 93 in both my Porsches. The newer one, owners manual said it was required or warranty would be void! Lots of people here in Idaho run "clear" gas as they have a lot of older vehicles that don't so well at all with the ethanol gas.
 

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What does the owners manual say as to the type of fuel the manufacturer recomends?
For best performance run 91 octane as the engine is mapped for that fuel, however the engine will run on 87 octane due to computer magic to prevent pre ignition.
 

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I have been using regular has in my awd Mav since I got it. I was wondering if I filled an empty tank with premium if I would notice any difference. Or would it take a few tankfulls. Thanks
Go ahead and try it. I switched to Shell V Power from 87 octane about a month ago. Seems to help with the low RPM bog "drone" I was experiencing. I will continue using the V Power. Also, it is supposed to help prevent carbon build up on the valves.
 

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Didn't read through this thread. BUT if you can tell the difference in NORMAL driving you are magic. Maybe while towing but other wise I would bet BIG dollars no,.
 

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I have a ‘23 hybrid and I’ve always thought the 2.5 Atkinson engine had a kind of a growl sound, don’t think anything is wrong just a faint growl. After reading previous discussions about premium fuel I thought I’d try some premium gas. So at the pump I looked at the price difference and couldn’t bring myself to fill the tank with premium :( I think each little bar on the gas gauge is about two gallons. Next time I was down two bars I’d top off with premium.

I don’t have any scientific data to back me up but I think the faint growl went away. I don’t think it’s any better acceleration or any faster. Yes it might be that I wanted the growl to go so that’s what I hear. So if the growl is annoying, you might try a few gallons of premium :)
 

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Maybe that's the answer.
But that wasn't the question.
I'm not in the debate about fuels, just correcting a previous contributor's erroneous website link.

Carry on...
 
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87 to 91 (or 93) is about 20-25hp and roughly same about of ft/lb torque
So "regular" gas is going to generate 0 to 225 horsepower.

Premium gas is going to generate 0 to 250 horsepower.

So you're not going to "need" premium unless you use up 225 horsepower.

Your truck makes 30 HP cruising at highway speeds.

Your truck makes 60 HP cruising up a 6% grade at highway speeds.

Your truck makes maybe 100 HP passing someone going uphill at highway speeds on that 6% grade.

Unless you are DRAG RACING you're not going to ever "need" premium. I'm not suggesting you can't "like" it if that's your thing.
 

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Ethanol free gas ,will have a blue handle at the pumps . Go to website Puregas.com to find it near you.
Not every station has it. The closest one to me is 25 miles. Drive past it 3 or 4 times a week. It is the only fuel I use in my mower , pressure washer, string trimmer. All run better.
And the carb won’t self destruct from ethanol corroding components.
 

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I bought a hybrid because I wanted the gas mileage - and my 2022 XL has delivered. I've only used 87 octane and I'm at 40 mpg average having driven 8,000 miles

I think I drive "normal". Not hot rodding, not driving so slow I'm annoying those behind me. I use regular gas because it's the least expensive and truck runs just fine on it. Mid grade around here costs about 15% more than regular and premium an extra 23%. I could test it and see - but I seriously doubt my MPG increases 15% or 23% on more expensive, higher octane gas.

It's been an informative discussion though. If I ever find myself towing a trailer for 500+ miles I will gas up with premium
 

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Ethanol free gas ,will have a blue handle at the pumps .
PSA:
Still need to pay attention to the labels.

That would be nice, but the reality is not all gas stations have adapted to a standard color code.

Here in GA, some Quiktrips still use red pump handles for ethanol free.

Typically, BP pump handles are usually green for unleaded and black for diesel - the very
opposite of most other stations.

Read the labels!
 

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The guy tows a trailer at 75 mph with his EcoBoost with regular gas and gets 24 mpg.
https://www.mavericktruckclub.com/f...rip-with-a-home-built-teardrop-trailer.35393/
This guy is not the one to follow.
So a few things happen. Yes you can run 87. Is it the wisest no
You are 100% correct. Brother in law is retired petroleum engineer. Worked in that big huge refinery in Newark. Told me exactly the same thing. He started out at the bottom ranks of management and was a junior executive when he retired. I believe him, he does know his stuff. He has never run anything but 87 in every vehicle he has owned. He did say racing applications are way different and sometimes the fuels for them have to be "tweaked". But not the average computer adjusted main stream factory engines. When I was a locomotive engineer for the railroad we used to laugh at people who would tell us gasoline at station "A" was Sooo much better gas than station "B". What they did not know, in Grand Junction (and most places) the fuel ALL came in on rail from the single factory in Commerce City, north of Denver. It's all the same gas. Some individual stations and brands would require a hand pour of different additives at the transfer terminals (where the big trucks pick it up at). Usually, nothing in those additives had anything to do with performance, although that little fable was used in marketing. Truck driver friends would tell me the same thing. People would always come up and tell him they liked this particular brand of gas much better than the other station and brand down the road. Mostly, he never told them that when he left this station, he went right down the street and pumped the same gas in their tanks. As the old saying goes, "you don't always get what you pay for" All of this said, I did run 90 or 93 in both my Porsches. The newer one, owners manual said it was required or warranty would be void! Lots of people here in Idaho run "clear" gas as they have a lot of older vehicles that don't so well at all with the ethanol gas.

Well two things, first your brother in law is wrong. And right at the same time.
For any boosted engine he is wrong. What I’m sure he was referring to was normal NA engine under daily use.
With a forced induction engine you need the extra octane. Now ford wants Tk’s some magic with pulling timing and boost to keep things safe. But you are relying on sensor to save it.
Now as for the but dyno. You should in theory feel that. Previous 2.0-2.3 ecoboost saw 10-18whp gain from 87 to 93. That’s measured. So if you can’t feel that kind of increase you don’t pay enough attention.
Bottom line is 87 is safe. And what I run in mine daily. But you should always tow with 91 or higher. Simply for the safety of the engine. Not to mention that is does have a noticeable bump in power. Not so much acceleration but it downshifts much less up small rolling hills.
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