Would you buy an EV maverick for 25-30k?

[Hunters Edge]

Diesel trucks regularly have repair bills north of 20 grand. There was a report of a gas powered Kia sedan from a few years ago having a repair bill for close to 40. Expensive repair bills aren't fun, but they exist on every type of car if you look hard enough.

I thought we were comparing gas vs electric? Now your adding Diesel we can also include, propane and hydrogen.

The thing you miss or opt to dismiss is yes gas and even diesel engines may at one point MAY need repair but also electric motors. One thing is for sure or a given, every battery will need to be replaced unless of course the vehicle gets totaled from an accident first.

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[Mainer500]

I know I would, probably to go alongside our hybrid. This is Ford's affordable electric vehicle platform, internally called CE1, created by a very talented team of ex apple and Tesla engineers. It's apparently going to be used for an electric maverick and bronco sport, likely other vehicles as well.

I know 25-30k seems too good to be true, but Ford seems very committed to delivering at this price point.

No, we live in snow country, 10 below zero is not out of the ordinary. EV's don't hold a charge very well in cold climates. Besides, most of the country has a rather Rube Goldberg miss mash of non updated power and power lines and power grids. When the government mandates them, obviously, I'll get one. Until then they can go truck themselves. Not a joke, I mean it man.

 

[shizelbs]

Probably, yes.

 

[The Cyber Orange Guy.]

I would in a heart beat, the only reason I don't switch to a lariat is my fear of two more year of paying while the electric is on the street.

I don't haul, I don't off road, I don't do long rides, where I live a 100 miles trip is a marathon, if I get 200-250 miles range is more than enough, for 30k I'd be the 1st in line to get one.

 

[Hunters Edge]

Very true, Ford and Toyota hybrids are basically the most reliable cars on the market, the maverick seems to have continued that trend. Looking at EVs, Tesla has terrible, absolutely abysmal quality, yet you still regularly see Tesla electric motors and battery packs lasting well over a decade, and hundreds of thousands of miles. Just image how reliable EVs will become as brands like Ford who actually knows how to screw cars together properly start to invest more resources into them.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I don't see why everyone attacks EVs under the guise of them having some weaknesses. I mean hell, EVs have been in constant development for about 10 years. Think of what gas engines like after 10 years of engineering work and development. They made maybe 20 hp, lasted a few thousand miles if you were lucky, and couldn't go very far without overheating. In the 1920s, 30 years into the development of gas engines, rolls Royce advertised how their engines lasted 20k miles, that was unheard of at the time.

Look at where we are with EVs, 15-20 years of work, and they regularly surpass 1,000 hp, last over a decade, can go 400-600 miles, and can be charged to close to a full charge in under 20 minutes with fast charging. I understand they aren't optimal for towing heavy loads, or driving in sub freezing temperatures, but my God guys, in 20 years, they've made almost as much progress as we've made with ICE vehicles in 130 years. Just imagine where we'll be in another 10. Let's cut them some slack, I'm not saying they're flawless, but nothing in life is.

The issue is yes some have money to burn, others don't know how to handle money etc etc. That being said in most cases a vehicle maybe the most or second largest investment they make. For me it's like do I invest in penny stock with high risk or blue chip with dividends. I think this is another reason why many don't buy an EV. Even though we don't have a crystal ball, similar to watching stock trends, the resale on EV:s seem to take a bigger hit on depreciation. On top of that you half to assume the possibility of replacing the battery.

 

[MaverickMom]

I know I would, probably to go alongside our hybrid. This is Ford's affordable electric vehicle platform, internally called CE1, created by a very talented team of ex apple and Tesla engineers. It's apparently going to be used for an electric maverick and bronco sport, likely other vehicles as well.

I know 25-30k seems too good to be true, but Ford seems very committed to delivering at this price point.

Electric sounds nice, however, DTE rates to fully charge the fully electric are getting to the point that the only value is soon becoming the positive impact on the enviroment. I would feel like I am just trading who I pay the $200 month for transportation- the gas station or the Electric company. The Hybrid only costs me about $35 a month in gas and that's on the high side. I am saving close to $200 a month vs my old ICE engine compact car. I like the worry free range of the hybrid. One tank got us across three state borders and to our destination.

 

[2lbgill]

No I don't think many will for several reasons. One the incentive is up to, and it is a tax deduction. It also has limitations on which vehicles qualify. Something to think about most retirees pay little to no federal income tax. So they are ineligible for a tax deduction because they have to pay tax to be able to have a deduction.

Two many who have owned them or even driven them complain that the infrastructure is not available. Also if it was there the length of time waiting to be able to charge it. Then add additional time for charging.

Three if you tow it's really going to reduce what charge you have.

Four if you live in a cold climate it doesn't want to charge or hold a charge. Cold also reduces a battery's lifespan.

Five if your planning on keeping a car you better figure on the cost replacing the battery down the road.

Six if your selling used resale usually takes a heavy hit because the used car buyer realized the cost of replacing the battery.

Seven majority of individuals don't want to risk their homes or their loved ones with batteries catching on fire.

Eight better also figure on a few thousand more just for the hook up to charge the vehicle at your home.

Nine better plan on replacing tires more often and the money needed to do so.

Ten it's a costly venture, with added nuisance, added time and added risk. It might be why they are not selling well yet, even with the incentive.

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[Baloo]

No.

 

[RoaringGorilla]

I would be 100% on-board with an electric Maverick.

Honestly, if I had the ability to pay cash outright for one, I would probably be a Lightning owner.

 

[Decayed]

Absolutely not. EV's are in the beta phase right now. There is a lot of tech needing to be developed before they are ready for prime time.

 

[Scott Asheville]

Kind of relevant to this thread.

For those who have more than a 3 second attention span, here is a really brilliant former GM researcher walking through the transitions we're facing in transportation (including electric vehicles). Near the end he talks about the "tipping point". That's when BEVs and the support infrastructure become highly appealing to the average person - because you get more functionality for less money and it just plain improves your life.

Warning - this is an hour long video from "Autoline After Hours". But I was captivated and it seemed like ten seconds. I'd like to think if more people on this forum invested some time in quality material like this, the level of discussion here would be greatly elevated.

https://www.autoline.tv/after-hours/aah-682-he-invented-the-ev-skateboard-now-whats-he-up-to/

 

[tcj]

No, because I live in the sticks. A typical trip to Home Depot is over 100 miles, and the Maverick hybrid is perfect for my needs--tows my trailer, carries crap to the dump, can carry sheets of plywood, etc.

But an inexpensive 2nd BEV you bet I'm interested in. Maybe not a Maverick (already have a truck, and I need to drive it pretty far), but I'd love to replace my Subaru with an AWD EV.

And--and I know this is probably an unpopular opinion in here--it's not just because it would be super-economical to run, it's because it would produce hardly any GHG emissions.

 

[Snox801]

For sure - I daily a Rivian R1T, it gets about 150-200 miles of use a day. Charge it overnight. Best ownership experience I've had in a vehicle. If Ford could deliver a 1/3 of that experience (not a difficult ask) for 1/3 the price, I'm in!

I’ll just say first I owned a large amount of rivian stock. I think it’s the best ev out.
With that nope never buy an ev seems dumb except for very certain cases. Hybrid not for me but at least makes sense. Ev is stuck once it’s out of juice. And electricity has already jumped a lot. I live in rural nowhere and already just started paying peak rates. What about when all these e cars come on board. Electric use is gonna skyrocket as they shut down power plants for green energy. Sure maybe Texas or New Mexico but I’m in Michigan. We have snow 4 months out of the year. How that gonna work.
Nope hard pass on a ev maverick.

 

[Snox801]

This thread seems like the right place to drop a Ford CIO story from this morning.

I think the guys at Ford probably have a way better grasp of BEVs than your average uninformed (or misinformed) "Joe Six Pack". And they're putting their money on BEVs in a big way. Yea, they dialed it back a bit this winter (all the OEMs got overenthusiastic last year), but they make it clear it's compete or die. Yes, they also make it crystal clear that hybrids and ICE are how you make profits for the next 5-10 years or so - but the century after that is all BEV.

https://electrek.co/2024/02/14/ford-better-get-going-or-lose-to-cheaper-chinese-evs/

It's possible for both sides of the argument to be right at the same time. BEVs are the future. For the most part, ICE and hybrids are today. The question neither side can reliably answer is - when does the future start? It's the journey that gives the OEMs headaches, not the destination.

PS: "Joe Six Pack" is not intended as an insult to anyone. It's a phrase we used to use a lot in the military, to refer to the Average American. Which includes this poster - I am "Joe Six Pack".

Or the fact they know they can go all in on ev and when it fails they are
“ to big to fail and get more money from Joe six pack.”

Your logic is a joke. I’m old enough to remember when the big 3 thought they knew better than Joe six pack what Joe wanted. Then they needed bailouts to not fold up. So maybe they don’t know much of anything. Maybe listen to Joe six pack of what he wants or needs. You know maybe give consumers what they want?

 

[bbhaag]

This thread seems like the right place to drop a Ford CIO story from this morning.

I think the guys at Ford probably have a way better grasp of BEVs than your average uninformed (or misinformed) "Joe Six Pack". And they're putting their money on BEVs in a big way. Yea, they dialed it back a bit this winter (all the OEMs got overenthusiastic last year), but they make it clear it's compete or die. Yes, they also make it crystal clear that hybrids and ICE are how you make profits for the next 5-10 years or so - but the century after that is all BEV.

https://electrek.co/2024/02/14/ford-better-get-going-or-lose-to-cheaper-chinese-evs/

It's possible for both sides of the argument to be right at the same time. BEVs are the future. For the most part, ICE and hybrids are today. The question neither side can reliably answer is - when does the future start? It's the journey that gives the OEMs headaches, not the destination.

Agreed, the reality is sales every year are breaking records not only in the USA but also around the world. Last year, there were just under 1.2 million new EVs sold in the USA, a new record.

Looking at the data, the YoY (Year over Year) sales of BEVs rose throughout all of 2023, and while sales in Q3 and Q4 2023 were slower in the 2nd half of the year, data shows YoY increased significantly over the same period in 2022. Follow the data, not the naysayers.

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