Id rather have a PHEV Maverick

[Old Ford Guy]

Considering that America is still in a transitional phase to electric cars/charging, I would much rather see a Maverick PHEV.

Zero stress range, all electric for errands, and generator mode like the F150 has.

PHEV is the near future change my mind.

for those fortunate folks with access to 'at home' vehicle charging i agree 100%

But.... fully 40% of Americans live where at home charging is just not a option according to the 2020 US Census, and FAR more folks worry that they'll run out of juice on that occasional 'road trip'. thats a problem for the full electrification of our passenger vehicle fleet.
think apartment dwellers: condo / townhouse owners and such. how or where are they supposed to plug in to recharge their vehces?

thats why i beleive BHEV's fill a pressing need.
with them drivers can get DRAMATICLY increased MPG along with reduced tailpipe emissions along with zero 'range anxiety' .
an added benefit for battery hybrid electric vehicles like our hybrid Mav is that they are well suited to take advantage of the massive existing fossil fuel infrastucrture while at the same time reducing dependence on said infrastructre while we transistion to our seemingly inevitable electric vehicle future.
BHEV's also make sense when you learn that the raw materials needed for ONE 250 mile range PEV are sufficient for some NINETY BHEV's. the procurement & processing of the raw materials needed are VERY enviormentally damaging and VERY expensive as well as VERY hazardous to mine & refine.
my reference comes from the CEO of Toyota who is almost evangelical is his belief that BHEV are a better way forward in society's quest to lessen fossil fuel dependency. i totally agree with him. until when or if we develop the needed technology and infrastructure to make' pure' electric transportation a reality.

Great performance, great MPG, no need to plug it in. whats not to like?

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[Mav_RICK]

My understanding is that PHEV are NOT always driving in electric mode those first 20-40 miles. If so you are never really 100% electric.

 

[Eagle11]

My understanding is that PHEV are NOT always driving in electric mode those first 20-40 miles. If so you are never really 100% electric.

Not true, PHEV can be 100% BEV until you deplete the battery. Just like the Hybrid, the gas engine does come on as a "generator" as it's not powering the vehicle when in Hybrid mode. PHEV has two modes, BEV and Hybrid.

 

[Mav_RICK]

Not true, PHEV can be 100% BEV until you deplete the battery. Just like the Hybrid, the gas engine does come on as a "generator" as it's not powering the vehicle when in Hybrid mode. PHEV has two modes, BEV and Hybrid.

Ok if you are being a nuisance and driving like a grandma? Honestly I don’t know from experience but I have seen it said the ICE does kick in quite a bit and yes also the level of charge plays a role in frequency.

 

[BlueSpec1]

I don't notice the ICE coming on when I'm making in town trips in my Escape PHEV.
I usually run the ICE about once a month by changing from Normal to Sport mode so the ICE starts and runs awhile just to burn some gasoline and circulate oil.
If my trip is going to be more than EV range I usually start in Sport mode so I can save EV for the trip home.

There's several things Ford has programmed in to run the ICE.
One is when temperatures are below 32°F and if HVAC is being used, like for Max Defrost.

Other reasons to run the ICE from the Owners Manual:

Engine On Due To
The following conditions help to explain why the engine is on, and what you can do to allow all electric operation.

• Drive Power: The engine is on due to accelerator pedal pressure or speed control activation. Reduce pressure on the accelerator pedal or switch off the speed control to return to full electric mode.

• High Speed: The engine is on because the vehicle speed exceeds the level for full electric operation. Reduce the speed to return to electric operation.

• Heater Setting: The engine is on because of the heater setting. Reduce or turn off the heater setting to return to electric operation.

• Neutral Gear: The engine is on because the vehicle is in Neutral (N). Shift out of neutral gear to return to electric operation.

• Engine Cold: The engine is on because it is cold. The vehicle returns to electric operation once the engine is sufficiently warm.

• Battery Charging: The engine is on to charge the high-voltage battery. The vehicle returns to electric operation once the battery is charged.

• Low Gear: The engine is on because the vehicle is in low gear. Shift out of low gear to return to electric operation.

• Normal Operation: The engine is on to optimize vehicle operation. The vehicle returns to electric operation when possible.

• Low Use: The engine is on to maintain engine oil quality. The vehicle returns to electric operation when low engine use mode is complete. See Plug-In Hybrid Vehicle Operation (page 184).

• Engine Braking Active: The engine is on to provide increased powertrain braking. This can occur when you turn on the grade assist feature, when speed control is on or when driving with your foot off the accelerator pedal. Turning off grade assist or speed control may allow the vehicle to return to electric operation.

• Battery Temperature: The engine is on due to high or low high-voltage battery temperature. This is a normal operating condition. The vehicle returns to electric operation when possible.

• Drive Mode: The engine is on due to the drive mode selection. Select an appropriate drive mode for electric only operation.

 

[Mav_RICK]

I don't notice the ICE coming on when I'm making in town trips in my Escape PHEV.
I usually run the ICE about once a month by changing from Normal to Sport mode so the ICE starts and runs awhile just to burn some gasoline and circulate oil.
If my trip is going to be more than EV range I usually start in Sport mode so I can save EV for the trip home.

There's several things Ford has programmed in to run the ICE.
One is when temperatures are below 32°F and if HVAC is being used, like for Max Defrost.

Other reasons to run the ICE from the Owners Manual:

Engine On Due To
The following conditions help to explain why the engine is on, and what you can do to allow all electric operation.

• Drive Power: The engine is on due to accelerator pedal pressure or speed control activation. Reduce pressure on the accelerator pedal or switch off the speed control to return to full electric mode.

• High Speed: The engine is on because the vehicle speed exceeds the level for full electric operation. Reduce the speed to return to electric operation.

• Heater Setting: The engine is on because of the heater setting. Reduce or turn off the heater setting to return to electric operation.

• Neutral Gear: The engine is on because the vehicle is in Neutral (N). Shift out of neutral gear to return to electric operation.

• Engine Cold: The engine is on because it is cold. The vehicle returns to electric operation once the engine is sufficiently warm.

• Battery Charging: The engine is on to charge the high-voltage battery. The vehicle returns to electric operation once the battery is charged.

• Low Gear: The engine is on because the vehicle is in low gear. Shift out of low gear to return to electric operation.

• Normal Operation: The engine is on to optimize vehicle operation. The vehicle returns to electric operation when possible.

• Low Use: The engine is on to maintain engine oil quality. The vehicle returns to electric operation when low engine use mode is complete. See Plug-In Hybrid Vehicle Operation (page 184).

• Engine Braking Active: The engine is on to provide increased powertrain braking. This can occur when you turn on the grade assist feature, when speed control is on or when driving with your foot off the accelerator pedal. Turning off grade assist or speed control may allow the vehicle to return to electric operation.

• Battery Temperature: The engine is on due to high or low high-voltage battery temperature. This is a normal operating condition. The vehicle returns to electric operation when possible.

• Drive Mode: The engine is on due to the drive mode selection. Select an appropriate drive mode for electric only operation.

So you see that starting with a full charge is critical to get your results? Looks like you do a great job of avoiding ICE usage. Do you think that’s typical?

 

[BlueSpec1]

So you see that starting with a full charge is critical to get your results? Looks like you do a great job of avoiding ICE usage. Do you think that’s typical?

Across the board, no. I just got the cars that work with my driving habits.

 

[GPSMan]

PHEV fills a niche.

Will never be more than 5% of the market.

I do think it would work for me because I like high tech gadgets and I like plugging in more than going to dirty smelly gas stations.

With the Volt, most owners were lazy and never plugged them in.

A PHEV has double the work. Most won't like that. A PHEV is a mediocre gasoline vehicle and a mediocre battery vehicle.

Most people want a great gasoline vehicle or a great battery vehicle.

The good news is: great battery vehicles are coming and charging these is easier than most people think.

The "40% of people live in apartments" is a non-issue.

Zero apartment dwellers fill up with gasoline at their apartments.

You charge at work.
You charge at school.
You charge at the Doctor's office.
You charge at the movie theater.
You charge at the grocery store.
You recharge in 30 minutes or less.
Soon, sooner than you think, there will be more places to charge than refuel.

How many areas of North America are on a power grid vs. on a petroleum pipeline?

If you WANT to charge at home, sure you can do that. But it won't be primary. It will be secondary. Charging at home will be for the hobbyists. Those who today change their own oil. It won't be done by most. Most will recharge while out doing errands. Just like filling up with gasoline today while out running errands.

I say these things with confidence because I've been there and done all of it. I would MUCH rather fiddle with the plug 1 time a week at a public fast recharger while I'm eating at a nice restaurant, or shopping, than fiddle with the trickle charger at home every night.

Sure, the trickle charger at home every night will be the solution for a lot of people. But not necessarily the majority.

6 years and 60,000 electric miles and this guy NEVER charged at home. Even though I could have. I just never wanted to.

Some trips I took were 500 miles with 1 hour of charging. Look in the mirror. Honestly, would 500 miles with 1 hour of charging* meet your needs? Today?

*assumes charging at night when you sleep, leaving in the morning on a full charge, and spending 1 hour on a cord during the day (lunch time?) - nets 500 miles of travel.

 

[gwrace14651]

Considering that America is still in a transitional phase to electric cars/charging, I would much rather see a Maverick PHEV.

Zero stress range, all electric for errands, and generator mode like the F150 has.

PHEV is the near future change my mind.

I would agree. The wife wanted to trade in her 2015 Honda Accord Hybrid sedan for a small SUV. We purchased a 2023 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. She has a 14 mile commute to work everyday so she gets about 3 days of electric between charges. Takes about 8-10 hours to charge from a hard wired 240 volt 50 amp circuit. It also is smart enough to tell you when it needs to use fuel from the tank to keep it from going stale. If you ignore that it runs the engine for you then tells you to fill up when it believes it has burned enough of the old fuel. Sent us a txt the other day saying one of the tires was low. Pretty amazing technology.

 

[Mav_RICK]

[/QUOTE]

You recharge in 30 minutes or less.
Soon, sooner than you think, there will be more places to charge than refuel.

Yeah but gas stations allow multiple vehicles to fuel at once and all usually under 5 minutes. Here in AZ there is no way to charge EVs at the vast majority of places you mentioned most the time. I just can’t imagine EVs working for most without home charging.

 

[Eagle11]

Ok if you are being a nuisance and driving like a grandma? Honestly I don’t know from experience but I have seen it said the ICE does kick in quite a bit and yes also the level of charge plays a role in frequency.

First off, if I'm driving the speed limit (which I do) and you call that a nuisance, then, with that mindset is a problem. In my profession, I take care of innocent people who are involved in accidents that weren't their fault.
With the ICE coming on and off, it does that with the hybrid, so not sure what the issue is.

 

[Mav_RICK]

First off, if I'm driving the speed limit (which I do) and you call that a nuisance, then, with that mindset is a problem. In my profession, I take care of innocent people who are involved in accidents that weren't their fault.
With the ICE coming on and off, it does that with the hybrid, so not sure what the issue is.

Well actually if you are driving the speed limit then I wouldn't say you are driving like a grandma, so good for you! Ok well the issue is if the ICE is indeed coming on and off driving around town then it is losing some of its edge over the hybrid because HEVs tend to get better ICE mpg than the PHEVs.

Do you start each day with a full charge? I have heard it said that in itself helps keep ICE from kicking in as much.

 

[Eagle11]

Well actually if you are driving the speed limit then I wouldn't say you are driving like a grandma, so good for you! Ok well the issue is if the ICE is indeed coming on and off driving around town then it is losing some of its edge over the hybrid because HEVs tend to get better ICE mpg than the PHEVs.

Do you start each day with a full charge? I have heard it said that in itself helps keep ICE from kicking in as much.

In a PHEV, if plugged in overnight it "should" be charged to at least 80% if not 100% by morning. My Maverick I doubt is 100% charged when I leave in the morning as it's running on BEV down my street into my garage. However, the ICE does come on, and the "Electic" where the MPG is on my dash is still one, this tells me that the ICE is in generator mode and I'm on BEV mode. Usually, by the time I'm out of my community, the ICE is now running propelling the maverick and the MPG is showing.

I see you live in AZ, where?

 

[Mav_RICK]

In a PHEV, if plugged in overnight it "should" be charged to at least 80% if not 100% by morning. My Maverick I doubt is 100% charged when I leave in the morning as it's running on BEV down my street into my garage. However, the ICE does come on, and the "Electic" where the MPG is on my dash is still one, this tells me that the ICE is in generator mode and I'm on BEV mode. Usually, by the time I'm out of my community, the ICE is now running propelling the maverick and the MPG is showing.

I see you live in AZ, where?

Oro Valley. Been here for 3 years. Transplant from Kansas.

 

[GPSMan]

I would agree. The wife wanted to trade in her 2015 Honda Accord Hybrid sedan for a small SUV. We purchased a 2023 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. She has a 14 mile commute to work everyday so she gets about 3 days of electric between charges. Takes about 8-10 hours to charge from a hard wired 240 volt 50 amp circuit. It also is smart enough to tell you when it needs to use fuel from the tank to keep it from going stale. If you ignore that it runs the engine for you then tells you to fill up when it believes it has burned enough of the old fuel. Sent us a txt the other day saying one of the tires was low. Pretty amazing technology.

Battery EV's and PHEV are able to put in 25 miles per hour at home.

More like 300 miles per hour when attached to a commercial grade fast charger.

The way to not spend "pointless" time charging is to just charge when able without waiting for the battery to get close to empty, or all the way full. If you spend 30 minutes at a coffee shop, add 30 minutes of charge while you are there. If that's "half a charge" so be it. Get the rest of your charge somewhere else. You spent 30 seconds of your time getting half a charge.

Cost of charging in public can be cheaper than charging at home. Even free. A minority of the time it is more expensive than charging at home. Commercial charging areas get commercial rates.

In 60,000 electric miles I never paid more for electricity than the equivalence in gasoline. Ever. That was 2017 to 2022. Usually electricity is 50% to 75% less than gasoline.

The exceptions are at tourist traps like Disneyland and 4 & 5 star hotels, maybe some sports arenas where they feel that they "gotcha" but you're also paying $25 to park. So those are not representative but usually get lots of hits on social media.

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