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I was just talking with friends at work today, we were wondering if Farley is purposely trying to bankrupt the company so he can get a bailout and restructure massively. That's what big businesses do, right? Go bankrupt, trim the fat and get rid of debt, then start fresh.

Ford is an old company suffering from expensive legacy costs, loads of dead weight employees, bloated bureaucracy resulting in extremely slow (relatively speaking) and often poor decision making and problem resolution, and poor morale on the factory floor. Very few people who build the vehicles are proud of what they do. It's sad.

They need more "car people" in decision making roles, at all levels, and fewer people who got the job because they have a degree and checked a certain box on the application and/or know somebody.

They need the passion and spirit they had in the mid 80s to mid 90s. That passion and spirit that built the SVO Mustang, Taurus SHO, Thunderbird Turbo Coupe and Super Coupe, Ranger Splash, F150 Lightning, F150 NITE edition, Escort GT, Probe GT, Contour SVT, Cobra Mustang, etc.

They seem to only be focused on "how can we gussy up this F150 and add another $10k to the price?" and "how can we overtake Tesla and rule the world in EV?" while simultaneously letting garbage roll off the end of their lines. #1 in recalls last year. Way to go.

They need to focus on building high quality, stylish, unique, and relatively affordable vehicles.

They need to find their passion again. Bring back the car people to revive Ford.

Sorry for the rant. Just having a hard time accepting what Ford has become, and even worse, what they're becoming. Ford has put food on my table since the day I was born.
To be fair, Jim Farley is the biggest car guy you'll find in a CEO position. He owns things like a gt40, just raced at Daytona, beating out some professional racing drivers. Races all the time, knows his stuff about cars. Give him time, the only vehicles we know he had a hand in for sure are the mach-e and maverick, both winners. But he wasn't even had time to implement his vision for the company.
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TBH i find it kinda funny he named dropped tesla
 

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Anyone who is clamoring for 1980s and 1990s Fords hasn’t driven one since then and might be getting a little senile. Take away the Mustang, Ranger, and F-150 and what do you have? A parade of turds that are nowhere to be found on the road today.
Every automaker on Earth is building EVs for the same reason Ford is…because people buy them. How long did you think they were gonna watch that goober sell Kias with batteries before they jumped in to grab whatever market share they could? Get it together grandad.
 
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Anyone who is clamoring for 1980s and 1990s Fords hasn’t driven one since then and might be getting a little senile. Take away the Mustang, Ranger, and F-150 and what do you have? A parade of turds that are nowhere to be found on the road today.
Every automaker on Earth is building EVs for the same reason Ford is…because people buy them. How long did you think they were gonna watch that goober sell Kias with batteries before they jumped in to grab whatever market share they could? Get it together grandad.
Crown vics are still around. Nobody saved their Tempos or Escorts, but there is a suprising amount of Merkurs out there. Alot of Tbirds too. All I currently own is 80s and 90s Fords and Jeeps, and honestly I am very nervous about driving a new car day to day. I worry that it will yell at me everytime I do something it doesnt approve of. But I am still excited to have air conditioning. We dont even have it in our home either.
 

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I’m sure Ford did an analysis of what was selling, as opposed to what wasn’t selling so well. I’m sure they looked at profit margins vs losses for each vehicle line they had. They more than likely looked over trends across the board with all vehicles being sold in the USA, and realized more and more people were buying SUV’s rather than sedans. They just didn’t cut out sedans on a whim. There definitely was a market analysis across the board. There was an article in the paper on this a while ago that stated there was more profit margin in SUV’s and trucks than sedans, and sedans weren’t selling as well as SUV’s and trucks.

When Ford came out with the Maverick, I’m sure there was a lot of discussions, comparisons, and a market study. They hit a Home Run, especially with the first hybrid truck built from any manufacturer. What they did miss on was their target market. They thought the truck was going to appeal to the younger generation, but it appealed across the board to senior citizens like me. How many seniors have trouble climbing into a full size or mid size truck, even with running boards? How many had trouble reaching things in the bed of the truck w/o climbing in or using a step ladder? How many don’t need a full size or mid sized truck because of their reduced need for it? All of those apply to me, and is evident with as many seniors that have purchased the truck. So, Ford was way off on their target market, but hit the ball out of the park with the hybrid and ecoboost Mavericks. Now the Tremor has been added this year. Who knows, with the other truck lines coming out with EV’s, the Maverick might be a few years away.
 

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What they did miss on was their target market. They thought the truck was going to appeal to the younger generation, but it appealed across the board to senior citizens like me. How many seniors have trouble climbing into a full size or mid size truck, even with running boards? How many had trouble reaching things in the bed of the truck w/o climbing in or using a step ladder? How many don’t need a full size or mid sized truck because of their reduced need for it? All of those apply to me, and is evident with as many seniors that have purchased the truck. So, Ford was way off on their target market, but hit the ball out of the park with the hybrid and ecoboost Mavericks. Now the Tremor has been added this year. Who knows, with the other truck lines coming out with EV’s, the Maverick might be a few years away.
This, exactly. Whenever I even THINK about not getting the Mav I ordered, so I go looking at other trucks, I run into exactly what Ron here noted -- even standing on my tip toes I still can't reach well into the bed, and I'm too damned old to be climbing into one. The seats require running boards to access -- I'm not climbing UP into any vehicle. I'm a fit geezer, but there's some things we just don't want to do anymore. It's why I drive an old school Ford Ranger and not a new one. I need to be able to toss a bag of mulch or twelve into the back of the truck, and not have to pull out a stepladder to unload them. I need to not have to search for the ground with my foot every time I disembark, it's just there, without me falling or lowering myself down to it. You don't quit wanting to drive and use trucks because you get old, but the emphasis of the last years on BIG trucks -- even the so called mid-sized are freaking huge in comparison -- left a corner of the truck market out of the running. Lost track of how many people on here have commented on this being their retirement truck. 90% or more of the people I personally know who have bought a Maverick or Santa Cruz in the last year or two have gray or white hair.
 

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Interesting I’ve read Ford needs to get rid of old dead weight…news flash the old employees are ones carrying the company. At least in the vehicle engineering areas.


Raise your hand of you do or have worked on Ford vehicle devolepment. The new employees that make their living being in a test vehicle traveling the country by and large cannot even open the hood of a vehicle, no idea where the battery is or where or what fluids are used. These are protype vehicles that can and do quit running often. Normally there is at least one Old hand to help get things going again.


Ford hires are have more to do with demographics as opposed to knowledge of how things work.
 

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Speaking of markets that Ford exited, it's a bummer they don't make minivans anymore. I can only think of 4 total being made across all manufacturers.
 

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Speaking of markets that Ford exited, it's a bummer they don't make minivans anymore. I can only think of 4 total being made across all manufacturers.
I know what you mean. In the ā€˜80’s and ā€˜90’s, I’ve owned a total of four different Aerostar minivans. The first was a car conversion van, two regular Aerostar vans, and another conversion van. I needed the extra seating to haul my four children and wife around.

I thing the Windstar replaced it, and not sure if there were any others afterwards. Up until I bought the Maverick and Escape, both of which are hybrid, last year, I haven’t owned any Ford since the mid ā€˜90’s. Everything else has been Toyota, Nissan, Honda, Chevy, and GMC.
 

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What purpose would a focus serve in a world where the maverick exists? It would have little to no price advantage over a Maverick. It would be more cramped and less practical. It would be less fuel efficient and versatile. It would use the same platform, with similar suspension, powertrains, and weight, so it wouldn't perform any better. It wouldn't be any safer. Aside from people who prefer sedans for their form factor, I genuinely don't see the benefit of any small sedan or hatchback over the maverick. It destroys all of them, the civic and Corolla look like jokes in comparison.

The only way bringing back cars would be a good idea for ford, would be if they all had the, and, aspect to their sales pitch. The maverick isn't just a small truck. It's a small truck, and it's affordable, and it's a hybrid. All those ands elevate the product to legendary, gotta have it, status. Kinda like how the mach-e is an EV, and it's fast, and looks cool, and has the mustang name. Or the bronco sport is practical, and capable off-road, and cool looking.

Which is why I propose instead of bringing a c2 focus to America, offer a c2 based fox body inspired mustang hatchback. Use the awd rear biased setup from the focus RS, give it the 2.0 and 2.3 turbo. Lean into the 80s nostalgia with the fox body and turbo callbacks. Something that looks like that official s650 mustang design proposal below.

Then, instead of just having a hatchback, you have a hatchback that looks cool, and it's fast and fun to drive, and it has an iconic name, and it has neat retro touches. Appealing to consumers who want an affordable, practical car, and enthusiasts who want to see the return of affordable, small, back to basics performance cars. All why offering something no-one else in the market offers, so you don't have to get into race to the bottom dealership pricing tactics while trying to compete. You have people beating down your door begging to buy your product at sticker price.

Put a civic and a focus side by side, that person is gonna buy the civic 8/10 times at least. You tell someone they can own a mustang that looks that cool for basically the same price, while offering similar levels of practicality, the civic doesn't stand a chance.

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. Aside from people who prefer sedans for their form factor, I genuinely don't see the benefit of any small sedan or hatchback over the maverick. It destroys all of them, the civic and Corolla look like jokes in comparison.
I'd add the ridiculously small subcompact SUVs like the CHR, HRV, Corolla cross etc to your list. Just don't see the point of them when you can get the Maverick for the same price.
 
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I'd add the ridiculously small subcompact SUVs like the CHR, HRV, Corolla cross etc to your list. Just don't see the point of them when you can get the Maverick for the same price.
Not everyone wants a truck, some people want a compact SUV.
And technically you can’t even get a maverick without waiting for a long ass time. Plenty of people have gotten tired of waiting and made the jump to something else. Honestly if I really needed a car I would have jumped shipped, this wait time is bullshit, but luckily for me both of my current cars work fine.
 

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I know what you mean. In the ā€˜80’s and ā€˜90’s, I’ve owned a total of four different Aerostar minivans. The first was a car conversion van, two regular Aerostar vans, and another conversion van. I needed the extra seating to haul my four children and wife around.

I thing the Windstar replaced it, and not sure if there were any others afterwards. Up until I bought the Maverick and Escape, both of which are hybrid, last year, I haven’t owned any Ford since the mid ā€˜90’s. Everything else has been Toyota, Nissan, Honda, Chevy, and GMC.
I would drop my Tremor order in a heartbeat for a AWD Maverick based van even without the diff and lift. There is nothing like driving to the beach opening the doors and crawling into the bed for a relaxing mid day nap. Especially for $30,000 and under.
 

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I’m sure Ford did an analysis of what was selling, as opposed to what wasn’t selling so well. I’m sure they looked at profit margins vs losses for each vehicle line they had. They more than likely looked over trends across the board with all vehicles being sold in the USA, and realized more and more people were buying SUV’s rather than sedans. They just didn’t cut out sedans on a whim. There definitely was a market analysis across the board. There was an article in the paper on this a while ago that stated there was more profit margin in SUV’s and trucks than sedans, and sedans weren’t selling as well as SUV’s and trucks.

When Ford came out with the Maverick, I’m sure there was a lot of discussions, comparisons, and a market study. They hit a Home Run, especially with the first hybrid truck built from any manufacturer. What they did miss on was their target market. They thought the truck was going to appeal to the younger generation, but it appealed across the board to senior citizens like me. How many seniors have trouble climbing into a full size or mid size truck, even with running boards? How many had trouble reaching things in the bed of the truck w/o climbing in or using a step ladder? How many don’t need a full size or mid sized truck because of their reduced need for it? All of those apply to me, and is evident with as many seniors that have purchased the truck. So, Ford was way off on their target market, but hit the ball out of the park with the hybrid and ecoboost Mavericks. Now the Tremor has been added this year. Who knows, with the other truck lines coming out with EV’s, the Maverick might be a few years away.
When you come up with the demographics and psychographics, there isn't just one of each. The primary audience for the maverick audience for the maverick likely wasn't laid out by age, but by socioeconomic classification. People with less disposable income who want a product that provides excellent value for a decent price. It just so happens that many of the people who fall under that category are young people. That doesn't mean when an older individual buys the product that ford got their target buyer analysis wrong. It just means a lot of people with differing demographic qualities fall under the target audience of "thrifty buyers". It makes sense to develop your product to tailor to the needs to younger people above all else. These's a saying "You can see an old man a young man's car, but you can't sell a young man and old man's car".
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