15% Ethanol Fuel? [LOCKED DUE TO POLITICS]

[emartinez96]

I use E15 at the pumps here. Cheaper then unleaded and has a higher octane. Haven't had a issue in my 2.0.

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[teh603]

This is about an administration that has said they want to get rid of fossil fuel as part of their statements in the last election.

And is that necessarily a bad thing given the realities of climate change? It's real, and (at this point at least) it can be mitigated. We shouldn't have to sacrifice the health, wellbeing, and in most cases lives of the many just so the few (mainly commodities traders and top executives) can keep making obscene profits.

And in case you're wondering, I don't think oilfield workers who get laid off should be made to starve either, but that's another topic for a completely different kind of board and it'd probably take a week just to cover the underlying philosophies.

 

[Mainer500]

My initial guess would be that higher than 15% ethanol would make for corrosion issues over time. Probably due to coating formulations and all that.

That having been said, there's been so much FUD about ethanol that I know people willing to fight an hour's traffic each way just to fill up with ethanol- free gas from one station out in the middle of nowhere, because they're convinced it'll do I have no idea what.

One footnote on "food shortages"- most of them are distribution based, not supply based. We're growing more than enough corn. Then it hits the commodities exchanges and gets traded around until the fat cats think they've made enough profit. Same with the price of oil- it gets churned around the exchange until someone's made enough profit, *then* it hits the refinery. So the price you pay at the supermarket or pump has no actual relation to the price when the oil is pumped or corn is harvested.

Wait I was paying $1.90 a gallon December 2020 but I'm an American so I guess I should buy into the new narrative, I mean the new facts. Fat cats or not, I was still paying under 2 bucks a gallon. Just saying

 

[Old Hickory Trojan]

Wait I was paying $1.90 a gallon December 2020 but I'm an American so I guess I should buy into the new narrative, I mean the new facts. Fat cats or not, I was still paying under 2 bucks a gallon. Just saying

Exactly....the only thing that changed was the President and his administration...all the BS on this board about anything else is BS or a totally misguided populace and by the way the us was only getting 3% of their oil from Russia just in case thats the next excuse for rising prices and fact is we don't need any foreign oil to be totally energy independent if we wanted to be.

 

[teh603]

Wait I was paying $1.90 a gallon December 2020 but I'm an American so I guess I should buy into the new narrative, I mean the new facts. Fat cats or not, I was still paying under 2 bucks a gallon. Just saying

You missed the part earlier on where I pointed out how the people who really set oil prices are the guys at the commodities exchange, and how gas prices are based on that but still pretty arbitrary. And like stock prices, commodities prices can be really volatile depending on the news. For example, there's a minor local grain shortage due to Ukrainian production taking a hit, and all of a sudden grain commodities in the US go into panic buy mode.

It's not a "new narrative" or "new facts." It's been working like this since before I was born. And all I'm asking is why it has to be this way, when we could make something that works for a lot more than just a few thousand Wall Street fat cats.

 

[OleFordGuy]

Noticed this article on E-15 fuel: https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/what-you-need-to-know-about-e15-fuel/ar-AAWeHjK?li=BBnb7Kz

 

[Maverickman74]

You missed the part earlier on where I pointed out how the people who really set oil prices are the guys at the commodities exchange, and how gas prices are based on that but still pretty arbitrary. And like stock prices, commodities prices can be really volatile depending on the news. For example, there's a minor local grain shortage due to Ukrainian production taking a hit, and all of a sudden grain commodities in the US go into panic buy mode.

It's not a "new narrative" or "new facts." It's been working like this since before I was born. And all I'm asking is why it has to be this way, when we could make something that works for a lot more than just a few thousand Wall Street fat cats.

Its not just a few thousand wall street fat cats, they are actually all over the place and many do what the do without even knowing it simply paying brokers commissions to do it for them.

Its kind of like how I explained las vegas to a 19 year old the other day when our co worker was going on about walking into a casino and winning $400 immediately. The house always makes money, for every dollar that someone wins other people had to lose more than that dollar to keep the casino operating. His response was "when you put it that way its kind of horrible". Yeah kind of horrible to take 3 people for a fancy ride, charging 2 of them $20 and giving one of them $20 on chance.

Its a bad system, thats bad for society. The concept of a 100% free market is only useful as 100% allowing some people so make money off suckers.

People get all up in arms about which president strokes the flag harder and more sensually. When we should really be electing the heads of the SEC, Federal Reserve, World Bank, and others.

If anyone wants a simple explanation of why nothing changes and it always cycles worse again and again. I suggest you watch the video for Sleep Now In The Fire by Rage Against the Machine.

 

[Doug Wildman]

Dear Administrator, delete this thread of political lies. Thank you

 

[Demoguy1]

Would you use it in your Maverick? The owners manual clearly sates “do not use fuel with more than 15% ethanol”
Considering the fact the 15% is a mathematical average we could be running slightly higher than 15% and not know it.

More than 15% ethanol is a "what if". What if one tank full is 14% and the next is 16%? We have no control over the precise % of ethanol. Get a few test strips and check ethanol % if that is a real concern.

 

[mr mojo risen]

I guess the thread’s not locked…. Or was perhaps unlocked??

 

[dalola]

Testing one two, testing...

 

[Retired]

I'm sure ford was aware that 15% is an average.

 

[FordDiehard]

I have been using Ethanol-free gas exclusively in my Focus for over a year now. I get roughly 4 -5 mpg higher than with the 10% Ethanol gas. It runs about $.50 per gallon higher in price though. Probably doesn't really pay for itself, but it's better for the engine. Some Wawa's have a few pumps with the option, the handles are color coded blue.

 

[GPSMan]

I will just say people are "afraid" of things they do not understand. The less they know, the less that they understand about something, the more they will be against it.

I worked full time making fuel ethanol from 2005 until 2013. I only got out of the business to move to a new state to marry my wife.

Those like myself, "college educated" in the production of fuel ethanol will always tend to view it in a neutral light. It is not a godsend. It is not harmful to your car, or the environment. It is really, truly about personal preference.

Truth be told, if you are willing to hear and learn the full story of fuel ethanol, you will find the differences between ethanol and gasoline are about as profound as the differences between Coke and Pepsi.

There a loyal fans of each. There are haters of each. Most people are more or less "tolerant" if not indifferent between the two brands. Most people will consume what is convenient. What is available at the time. Choosing to exclude one is usually not worth the pain of going without. Same is true for fuel ethanol.

I'd be happy to answer any sincere questions on this topic as a neutral subject matter expert.

I now manufacture ordinary food grade salt and have no skin in the ethanol business.

-John

 

[Maverickman74]

I will just say people are "afraid" of things they do not understand. The less they know, the less that they understand about something, the more they will be against it.

I worked full time making fuel ethanol from 2005 until 2013. I only got out of the business to move to a new state to marry my wife.

Those like myself, "college educated" in the production of fuel ethanol will always tend to view it in a neutral light. It is not a godsend. It is not harmful to your car, or the environment. It is really, truly about personal preference.

Truth be told, if you are willing to hear and learn the full story of fuel ethanol, you will find the differences between ethanol and gasoline are about as profound as the differences between Coke and Pepsi.

There a loyal fans of each. There are haters of each. Most people are more or less "tolerant" if not indifferent between the two brands. Most people will consume what is convenient. What is available at the time. Choosing to exclude one is usually not worth the pain of going without. Same is true for fuel ethanol.

I'd be happy to answer any sincere questions on this topic as a neutral subject matter expert.

I now manufacture ordinary food grade salt and have no skin in the ethanol business.

-John

Un-related, but what do you think about the pink himilayain salt, sea salt, and black salts that are popular these days? Didnt Wendys start the trend in the early 2000s? I do like the fancy salts on grilled meat.

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