15% Ethanol Fuel? [LOCKED DUE TO POLITICS]

[FriscoTXJoe]

So everyone can argue about the benefits of drilling more (we have history) vs not drilling (we are living it right now) but ultimately, what this means is:

Add E-85 as your gas, get 25% less mileage, use more gas to drive the same distance and it costs you more.

Correct?

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[Orchard]

I have a big turbo fiesta with an E85 kit and, absolutely love it. Too the point I was going to do an E85 conversion on the Maverick once it arrives, and I’m biulding my drag bike to only run on e85.
The ford maverick 2.0 should be able to run e30 (a mix of 91 and E85) from factory. You should notice a 15-20whp increase at the cost of around 5 mpg.
As some one who runs e85 nearly 100 percent of the time and as someone who lives in a farm town near an ethanol plant. E15 is just fine and I’m hoping it will rise the cost of corn to something that will help keep the small farms around as the price of corn has been relatively stagnant.

 

[sanpablo]

Would you use it in your Maverick? The owners manual clearly sates “do not use fuel with more than 15% ethanol”
Considering the fact the 15% is a mathematical average we could be running slightly higher than 15% and not know it.

My 67 Shelby GT500 Holley carb after about 10 years of 10

% ethanol here in NY :-( I put in a few ounces of Marine Stable every other fill up now, hope it helps!

 

[Aherpa]

I think your confusing "low lead" and "ethanol E10, E15, E85"
All your pre 1990 cars would have suffered complete fuel system (fuel lines, carburetors and fuel pump) failure!
PLUS E10, E15 wasn't even legal to sale before 2001!

To bad my vehicles didn't know that (we bought them used and ran ethanol).

 

[Old Hickory Trojan]

So everyone can argue about the benefits of drilling more (we have history) vs not drilling (we are living it right now) but ultimately, what this means is:

Add E-85 as your gas, get 25% less mileage, use more gas to drive the same distance and it costs you more.

Correct?

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Yup that's about it on performance and then you can destroy your engine especially the plastic parts which seem to keep growing in the engine each year. Ethanol was a plain bad idea. Add to that the number of farms that converted from growing real food to growing this crap and getting government subsidies to do so. Now we have talk about food shortages going on....

 

[dalola]

I have a big turbo fiesta with an E85 kit and, absolutely love it. Too the point I was going to do an E85 conversion on the Maverick once it arrives, and I’m biulding my drag bike to only run on e85.
The ford maverick 2.0 should be able to run e30 (a mix of 91 and E85) from factory. You should notice a 15-20whp increase at the cost of around 5 mpg.
As some one who runs e85 nearly 100 percent of the time and as someone who lives in a farm town near an ethanol plant. E15 is just fine and I’m hoping it will rise the cost of corn to something that will help keep the small farms around as the price of corn has been relatively stagnant.

It really is crazy when you tune a FI motor for E85. I dabbled in it for a short time with my 2.7 F150, have a few 12 second time slips, and lot's of *OLY *HIT passenger remarks!

 

[teh603]

Im confused if they see that the current environment is ripe for profit then why would they not use the current permits and begin drilling?

My initial thought? That they'd rather keep supply down so they can demand a higher price at the pump. Sort of like dairy farmers dumping out milk when they've overproduced.

They want more permits...

Also worth mentioning that they've been known to sue a landowner who tried putting solar on land that also had a drilling permit. And sure, the landowner had left them enough space to drill, but they allegedly wanted to put the rigs where *they* wanted them.

Doesn't take a genius to realize that case was more about telling landowners that they can't get money from both oil and solar, than an actual drilling site.

 

[Old Hickory Trojan]

Reality check: most Americans do not realize the fact that 42% of all petroleum products refined in the US are exported. Add to that 90% of the dirty TAR oil sludge that comes from Canada (Keystone Pipeline) cannot be used for gas. *that’s right people, the Keystone media hype is about TAR oil used primarily for asphalt, roofing, and other industry products-not gasoline* I vote to stop exporting our US gas and let other countries deal with the Canada and Venezuelan TAR oils. Then the US supply goes up, our gas prices drop.

Somewhat misleading since foreign oils are refined in the US. As far as the sludge that can't be used for gasoline, as of 2016 42$ of all oil was used for other products such as plastics etc so the numbers for uses for the tars from canadian oils are still a useable resource as well as adding to the gasoline supply. Let me add that with drilling more natural gas has been discovered which again adds to energy independence. The fact that we have to beg foreign countries to send us oil and tap into our federal reserve when we have more oil then any country in the world and if utilized would create good paying jobs here at home seems to be totally missing from and of this discussion.

 

[Old Hickory Trojan]

Im confused if they see that the current environment is ripe for profit then why would they not use the current permits and begin drilling?

That is political BS from the current administration. My ex son in law worked as a driller in the deep water stuff and let me tell you it akes more then a permit to actually be allowed to drill by the Government and they dont tell you that when they push their green agenda. Read this article and you will see how much BS you are being sold on..
ANALYSIS: White House Keeps Misleading Public On Oil, Gas Leasing. Here Are The Facts | The Daily Caller

 

[MikeLawry]

That is political BS from the current administration. My ex son in law worked as a driller in the deep water stuff and let me tell you it akes more then a permit to actually be allowed to drill by the Government and they dont tell you that when they push their green agenda. Read this article and you will see how much BS you are being sold on..
ANALYSIS: White House Keeps Misleading Public On Oil, Gas Leasing. Here Are The Facts | The Daily Caller

I think a big part of oil companies hesitation is the push to electric cars and phasing out gas powered engines. I think its a fair point to consider oil companies hesitation to invest a lot of $ in a new project that is actively being phased out. But yea putin and permits or whatever.

 

[Wasatch-Man]

To those thinking this is some sinister scheme of the oil companies to gouge people by not utilizing these leases, you need to understand a few things:

*Many of these leases have no petroleum or haven't had the exploration done yet

*While they have permits for these main leases, these leases are still heavily eviromentally regulated, especially the past 14 months or so. There may be water issues and other issues that take time to resolve.

*Some of these leases/permits are in litigation for various reasons, including the aforementioned environmental challenges to them.

It's just plain intellectually lazy to conclude that oil companies have some sinister plot going on to gouge Americans for more profits.

 

[teh603]

I think a big part of oil companies hesitation is the push to electric cars and phasing out gas powered engines. I think its a fair point to consider oil companies hesitation to invest a lot of $ in a new project that is actively being phased out. But yea putin and permits or whatever.

So they're not selling diesel or gasoline anymore. There's still going to be a need for kerosene, white gas, greases and lubricating oils. And fluids for molotov cocktails (hopefully a joke).

There'll still be demand and they'll still make money. Or do they think we'll go back to greasing our bearings with whale oil? (sarcasm)

But no, it's all about market trader and corporate profits above anything long- term.

 

[Old Hickory Trojan]

So they're not selling diesel or gasoline anymore. There's still going to be a need for kerosene, white gas, greases and lubricating oils. And fluids for molotov cocktails (hopefully a joke).

There'll still be demand and they'll still make money. Or do they think we'll go back to greasing our bearings with whale oil? (sarcasm)

But no, it's all about market trader and corporate profits above anything long- term.

Incorrect. This is about an administration that has said they want to get rid of fossil fuel as part of their statements in the last election. As I've posted their are more then permits that hold up drilling. The government has regulations that must also be met even after a permit that they currently are doing a slow walk on. See this article if you want a more accurate assessment ( and I can confirm this as my ex-son in law worked on oil rigs and we saw this happen to him during the spill in the gulf). ANALYSIS: White House Keeps Misleading Public On Oil, Gas Leasing. Here Are The Facts | The Daily Caller

 

[Phileaux]

Ethanol produces 55-60% of the energy of gasoline in equal amounts. Ethanol washes the cylinder walls of oil more than pure gas and mixes with the engine oil.

pure-gas.org

I'm not affiliated with the site.

 

[maverick4natic]

My 2cents :

I've gave 15% E15 a chance living in MN. First with E85 in a dodge caravan that was E85 capable and two 02 sensors later over a period of year I was skeptical.

Fast forward to using E15 in my HHR, it messed up my injectors and had to get all new ones.

Was the HHR older....yes....2006 could it have maybe shaken some junk out, maybe, but they were tested and just plain killed.

Regardless my wallet tells me to never do it again.

So much better mileage on ethanol free, tested with two 4 hour up north trips on two occasions. E10 would take me. 3/4 tank. Ethanol free 1/2 tank. This was in a sports car that took 91.


....could E15 work in all but newer cars and give you many years with no problems....I don't want to be the guinea pig.

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