Updated: HYBRID catalytic converter glowing 😡😡

[Snax]

I think you are being trolled mate.

Wouldn't surprise me!

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[Snax]

Side note: So the cat is right at the manifold? Not under the vehicle? In other words will crackheads not be able to steal it easily?

Yeah, one benefit of the location of the hybrid's cat is that it would be hard to steal.

Of course, they may also be really high, take one look at the "melted" shield, and figure that the CAT won't be worth a damn anyway.

 

[Mike]

guessing if you're skilled and motivated enough to steal the cat you probably have the wherewithal to take the whole damn truck.

 

[Chris_G]

guessing if you're skilled and motivated enough to steal the cat you probably have the wherewithal to take the whole damn truck.

With a melted shield? No way!

 

[stangg17]

LOL,, up north, leaving a car run for 45 minutes to an hour to warm up is very common, been doing it for decades. Also, at -10,,, or worse, some folks will leave the car run for hours while there eating out, having a beer at the bar,, you name it. Here's an common example of a town here in Iowa, hoping folks will shut em off, discouraging local theft, which usually is local kids joy riding, ,,,or cars just taking up space.

Engine block heater?

 

[Mike]

Tacomas have a COMFORT+ Complete option which includes block heater and Programmable Cabin Warmer/windshield de-icer thst works without turning on engine

basically it’s a space heater that they install in the cabin and you can control with an app.

must plug in though

 

[ffoc01]

More the reason I'm glad I got the Ecoboost rather than a newer, unproven Hybrid.

Look up 8F35 transaxle issues and 2.0l Ecoboost head gasket failure. Then research Ford's 17y old hybrid drivetrain, using an engine design from 2000, and then tell me which powertrain combo is unproven.

 

[Deleted member 5352]

Look up 8F35 transaxle issues and 2.0l Ecoboost head gasket failure. Then research Ford's 17y old hybrid drivetrain, using an engine design from 2000, and then tell me which powertrain combo is unproven.

Okay then. How do you explain this new post?

https://www.mavericktruckclub.com/forum/threads/leaking-oil-coolant-after-30-miles.12024/

 

[FakeCowboy]

Look up 8F35 transaxle issues and 2.0l Ecoboost head gasket failure. Then research Ford's 17y old hybrid drivetrain, using an engine design from 2000, and then tell me which powertrain combo is unproven.

I honestly thought the hybrid powertrain would have been more reliable given it's pedigree however to be fair, the ecoboost head gasket issue was when they were using the old Mazda block design which they have since changed so I believe it's no longer an issue. Also, I have been doing a ton of research into the 8F35 transmission and apparently Ford has beefed up the transmission significantly for the Maverick. I think Ford is having some serious quality control issues at whatever plant they're using for making the hybrid 2.5 considering how many issues we're seeing. Like I said though, I would have assumed that the long tested Hybrid engine would be the more reliable but that hasn't been the case here on the forums lately.......

edit: all things equal the hybrid engine will be far more reliable. The ecoboost engine will require unbelievably strict maintenance using the right oil, the right filter with appropriate bypass ratings and most importantly regular cleaning of the intake valves. Following manufacturers recommended maintenance schedule on the ecoboost I believe will lead to reliability issues with the ecoboost and that's coming from someone has has kept a tuned 2.0 turbocharged direct injection motor healthy for the last 7 years going above and beyond the recommended maintenance schedule.

 

[Champ]

however to be fair, the ecoboost head gasket issue was when they were using the old Mazda block design which they have since changed so I believe it's no longer an issue.

Guess no one told you about the 100% recall/failures of the Focus RS headgaskets?

 

[FakeCowboy]

Guess no one told you about the 100% recall/failures of the Focus RS headgaskets?

Yeah, that's a 2.3 motor and different block than the new 2.0 ecoboost. Tuners don't even recommend that 2.3 motor and often replace it with the more reliable 2.0 ST block. Be informed before opening your mouth

 

[ralatalo]

One thing you need to remember and as someone doing support it's easy to forget. People only complain when they have a problem and while people will sing praises then they have a really good experience, on average (and this is from a customer service training many years go) a good experience is shared with 7 people while a bad experience is shared with 14 people. I know the Hybrid are outnumbered by the Ecoboost but how many Hybrids do you think are out there being driven? There are literally more stories of Mavericks being totaled in accidents than reports of Oil and fluid leaks.

The Catalytic issue has had multiple reports from different people and what I believe to be a repeatable test case where the problem could be reproduced by anyone who wanted to...and Ford has acknowledged an issue and is addressing it.

There have been ( I believe) two reports of the seat cushion fabric not being 'properly' attached to the cushion and some discussion about potential explanations.

I'm not going to say there isn't issues because there have been and most likely will be but unless or until you have at least 2 independent reports of the same issue I wouldn't call it anything more than a one off problem.

 

[Naranjita]

I have the EcoBoost. After reading through this entire thread and others like it, I would still buy a Maverick Hybrid in a heartbeat if it was available in AWD.

 

[TRQ427]

Engine block heater?

Maybe on an old John Deere tractor, or old diesel from the pre 80's years, but dont see them used much now a days. Warm up real common now with keyless remote start. Just drive by a factory around 2:30,,,quittin time at 3:30,,lots of empty cars running when it's cold, and why not? Plus, since when did anyone see, or have to work around, an obvious major issue such as this, an exhaust compontent literally nearing meltdown,,, no matter how you look at it, it's scary and dangerous. Anyone else ever seen a car or truck that does this,,Ford,,Chevy,, Mopar,,,anyone???

 

[SpruceDuck]

One thing you need to remember and as someone doing support it's easy to forget. People only complain when they have a problem and while people will sing praises then they have a really good experience, on average (and this is from a customer service training many years go) a good experience is shared with 7 people while a bad experience is shared with 14 people. I know the Hybrid are outnumbered by the Ecoboost but how many Hybrids do you think are out there being driven? There are literally more stories of Mavericks being totaled in accidents than reports of Oil and fluid leaks.

The Catalytic issue has had multiple reports from different people and what I believe to be a repeatable test case where the problem could be reproduced by anyone who wanted to...and Ford has acknowledged an issue and is addressing it.

There have been ( I believe) two reports of the seat cushion fabric not being 'properly' attached to the cushion and some discussion about potential explanations.

I'm not going to say there isn't issues because there have been and most likely will be but unless or until you have at least 2 independent reports of the same issue I wouldn't call it anything more than a one off problem.

Here’s been my problem:

I told Ford about my problem.
I sent them video and pictures of the problem.
The service dept acknowledged it was a problem and a potential hazard.
The service manager acknowledged it was a problem and a potential hazard.
The field service technician acknowledged it was a problem and a potential hazard.
The corporate customer service reps and a supervisor acknowledged it was a problem and a potential hazard.
The sales manager of my dealership acknowledged it was a problem and a potential hazard.

My car was bricked for a month.
No loaner car offered.
No rental or rental reimbursement offered.
No assurance damage wasn’t already done despite my request to get that in writing.
No assurance of when a fix would arrive.
I was told to NOT operate the vehicle normally by the service manager and the field service tech even AFTER the pre-TSB PCM memo was sent to the service departments.

But no one did anything to convince me to stay in the car.

Either it’s safe or it’s unsafe.

I didn’t spend $25K CASH to have my new vehicle sit a the dealership for almost two months while I paid for insurance on two cars and drove around in my old POS car that should have been off the road.

When I called Ford out on the contradiction and the obvious hazard this unresolved defect was posing to me and other hybrid owners, I got the brush off.

Ford Protect blew me off.
Corporate blew me off.
My dealership where I purchased the vehicle blew me off.
And corporate blew off my service department and refused to clarify the contradiction.

My car was officially a lemon.
No offer of buyback.
No offer of replacement components.
No offer of extending or expanding the $2,000 Ford Protect warranty I had already purchased.
No guarantee damage wasn’t done.
No apologies.
No compensation.
No offers.
No call backs from corporate.
No letters.
Nothing.

NOTHING.

Just a bunch of, “ohhhh, I’d be concerned too” comments from every Ford employee I spoke to.

This truck isn’t half the disaster Ford customer service is. Last I checked, customer service includes not killing your customers.

And THAT’s the issue.

When I asked every contact at Ford if they were waiting for a tragedy or multiple tragedies before Ford did something, they all went silent.

They openly agreed that’s the game being played here.

OPENLY.

Why would they do that? Why would they risk their jobs admitting that?

Because they knew they were so insignificant and unimportant and low on the totem pole at Ford, their voices and opinions didn’t matter, despite the fact THEY were my interface with Ford. THEY were the face of Ford. They were resigned in their ineffectuality before I ever spoke to them.

Ford’s ignored deadly product flaws in the past.
GM did it with their faulty ignitions.
Toyota did it with unintended acceleration.

It’s corporate callousness at its worst.

People’s lives get destroyed by criminal negligence like this…
But WE… we as a culture let corporations off with a slap on the wrist. We say, “well, it probably won’t happen to me, so why should I care?”

Instead of people in positions of power at Ford going to jail, the “corporation” pays the government and a few legal suits. We forget about it, knowing the next totally avoidable deadly recall will be settled by compensating more shattered families and placating/paying off the Feds for the umpteenth time. And when it happens again, when we hear another story on the news, of another tragedy in the papers, we say of those shattered lives, “pour souls.”

F*** Ford and this despicable mentality. I’m a part of the indifference. Or at least I was until my vehicle visibly appeared to be getting awfully close to burning up.

My engine was bathed in blazing heat when my cat lit up. It was brighter than any of these videos have shown. I could have read a book by the light of my converter.

If a leaf had fallen in my engine bay, it would have incinerated itself.

Just because no one’s seeing obvious damage doesn’t mean those shitty little plastic zip ties and clips aren’t getting cooked. They’ll get brittle, a wire will flop out of place, make contact, and that pretty little truck will turn into a smoldering pile of greed.

Ford will NOT contact customers who don’t report this. They will keep shipping Mavericks throughout the Spring, Summer, and Fall…

And when the first round of cold temperatures comes around next Winter, and unsuspecting owners start using remote start, and Ford Pass, and their g-damn defrosters in “park”, someone’s gonna get hurt. It’s inevitable.

Unless Ford is able to do an over-the-air update, I don’t see how this isnt playing with people’s lives and livelihoods.

I’m disgusted and angry.
And I’m not going to pipe down til this is recognized for what it is (yeah, here comes the slander):

Criminal negligence.

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