Hybrid vs gasoline

[WJOHNM]

What I read online thst most have them
Had to be replaced at 100,000 miles
Which could be fake news

I have been in this club since late 21 when I ordered my first Maverick, I have never seen a posting that someone had to change a HV battery, could be wrong did you search it. I don't think about it get a new truck every 4 years or so and only drive 5k a year.

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[710-oil-614]

I have been in this club since late 21 when I ordered my first Maverick, I have never seen a posting that someone had to change a HV battery, could be wrong did you search it. I don't think about it get a new truck every 4 years or so and only drive 5k a year.

Nah he just spouted it off like it’s fact. When members are pressed to produce a link or article where they “read or saw it” they either ignore the request or backtrack hard.

It’s someone who doesn’t like hybrids and they spew stuff to justify their position.

 

[kevink]

My ecoboost gets 32-34 mpgs regularly -
Each case is individual and depends on the terrain and numbers of stops -and how you use the go pedal - so there is that math too
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It must be driven regularly on the highway at 45-55 mph then. My hybrid only averages 34.8 mpg over the 5800 miles I've owned it. The ecoboost is only rated for about 23 city/30 highway so you are exceeding the rated gas mileage by about 50%. So not doing the things that hurt a non-hybrid like driving in stop and go traffic, or city driving in general. And not going above around 55mph where the wind resistance really starts to hurt mileage.

 

[710-oil-614]

It must be driven regularly on the highway at 45-55 mph then. My hybrid only averages 34.8 mpg over the 5800 miles I've owned it. The ecoboost is only rated for about 23 city/30 highway so you are exceeding the rated gas mileage by about 50%. So not doing the things that hurt a non-hybrid like driving in stop and go traffic, or city driving in general. And not going above around 55mph where the wind resistance really starts to hurt mileage.

I think folks get a reading once or twice and proclaim that is their average. Like just yesterday I drove a 9 mile stretch and got 47mpg. I could say - "I regularly get 47mpg in my hybrid" but the actual hand calculated average over 15,000 miles is only 32.4mpg.

 

[Mavster Mechanic]

Where did you pull the 14 years from?

I'll call that a minimum. I usually say they are built for 15 years. Because they are.
Some will go more. Some less.
A safe bet is 15 years.

 

[Mavster Mechanic]

I have been in this club since late 21 when I ordered my first Maverick, I have never seen a posting that someone had to change a HV battery, could be wrong did you search it. I don't think about it get a new truck every 4 years or so and only drive 5k a year.

There's either a problem, defect, manufacturing error that shows up early (under warranty) or the battery lasts the life of the vehicle.

Changing one at 100,000 miles is LEAST LIKELY OF ALL.

 

[Mavster Mechanic]

I think folks get a reading once or twice and proclaim that is their average. Like just yesterday I drove a 9 mile stretch and got 47mpg. I could say - "I regularly get 47mpg in my hybrid" but the actual hand calculated average over 15,000 miles is only 32.4mpg.

I tow a lot so it's like two different trucks.

I get 47 MPG tank after tank not towing, just daily commuting.

I get 16-18 MPG tank after tank when towing my camper.

On paper I have 45,000 miles at 47 MPG and 15,000 miles at 17.5 MPG.

 

[mrjspence]

I had an FX4 Mav 1st Gen; Hybrid 1st gen; and now a 25 Hybrid Lariat. Get the hybrid and don’t think so much about what may or may not happen down the road if you really still have it at 100K+ miles. Just maintain it the best you can while you have it.

Took this just for you:

haven’t reset this since the day I got it. This means 46.6% of all my Maverick use has been “free” electricity.

this is real-world driving. Mostly winter gas & colder driving in CO (purchased in August 25). Interstate (75mph here), lots of city, hauling, light towing… basically a true mix of driving conditions. It’s a slow payoff but 3,691mi so far I didn’t have to buy gas for (notice my range too?). I do regularly get mid 40s in eco mode in-city during perfect conditions but of course those even out with other driving types.

it’s the best mix of everything when considering all the trade-offs. I’ll even place the hybrid Maverick as more practical than the lariat Lightning I had for a year!

really my only complaint about this car is the Lariat trim- it’s lacking a few features you’d expect on the highest trim tier and the leather-ish seats get so damn hot sometimes / don’t vent well… and there is no cooling function (see previous sentence on missing features haha)

 

[babytruk]

I'll call that a minimum. I usually say they are built for 15 years. Because they are.
Some will go more. Some less.
A safe bet is 15 years.

We also should separate “battery failure” and “loss of re-chargeable battery efficiency”. It would be nice if my car could give me that number like my I-phone does. My wife’s 2011 Prius is probably down to about 75% considering it’s loss of MPG.

 

[WJOHNM]

I had an FX4 Mav 1st Gen; Hybrid 1st gen; and now a 25 Hybrid Lariat. Get the hybrid and don’t think so much about what may or may not happen down the road if you really still have it at 100K+ miles. Just maintain it the best you can while you have it.

Took this just for you:

haven’t reset this since the day I got it.

this is real-world driving. Mostly winter gas & colder driving in CO (purchased in August 25). Interstate (75mph here), lots of city, hauling, light towing… basically a true mix of driving conditions. It’s a slow payoff but 3,691mi so far I didn’t have to buy gas for (notice my range too?). I do regularly get mid 40s in eco mode in-city during perfect conditions but of course those even out with other driving types.

really my only complaint about this car is the Lariat trim- it’s lacking a few features you’d expect on the highest trim tier and the leather-ish seats get so damn hot sometimes / don’t vent well… and there is no cooling function (see previous sentence on missing features haha)

I did same 22 fx4 to 25 lariat I have 5k not getting great mileage 30/35 average no big deal.

 

[710-oil-614]

I had an FX4 Mav 1st Gen; Hybrid 1st gen; and now a 25 Hybrid Lariat. Get the hybrid and don’t think so much about what may or may not happen down the road if you really still have it at 100K+ miles. Just maintain it the best you can while you have it.

Took this just for you:

haven’t reset this since the day I got it. This means 46.6% of all my Maverick use has been “free” electricity.

this is real-world driving. Mostly winter gas & colder driving in CO (purchased in August 25). Interstate (75mph here), lots of city, hauling, light towing… basically a true mix of driving conditions. It’s a slow payoff but 3,691mi so far I didn’t have to buy gas for (notice my range too?). I do regularly get mid 40s in eco mode in-city during perfect conditions but of course those even out with other driving types.

it’s the best mix of everything when considering all the trade-offs. I’ll even place the hybrid Maverick as more practical than the lariat Lightning I had for a year!

really my only complaint about this car is the Lariat trim- it’s lacking a few features you’d expect on the highest trim tier and the leather-ish seats get so damn hot sometimes / don’t vent well… and there is no cooling function (see previous sentence on missing features haha)

No you bought gasoline for all 7,900 miles that you've driven and the combined fuel economy for those miles is a Mav calculated 38.4mpg.

If you only counted the miles that the ICE engine was on as the miles where fuel was being consumed then you only average around 20.5mpg for those miles.

 

[mrjspence]

No you bought gasoline for all 7,900 miles that you've driven and the combined fuel economy for those miles is a Mav calculated 38.4mpg.

If you only counted the miles that the ICE engine was on as the miles where fuel was being consumed then you only average around 20.5mpg for those miles.

I don’t get the point though. No one calculates a hybrid’s MPG or efficiency on what just the gas engine produced. You don’t say a smaller hybrid engine is less efficient on its own vs. a regular (EcoBoost) because that’s not how it operates.

Sure bought gas for all 7,900 miles… but that amount of gas purchased would have covered 4,225 miles instead of 7,916 if not for the hybrid. Even if the gas engine was more efficient on its own, the numbers would still favor hybrid setup.

Cost of total distance traveled all that counts. Hybrid wins every day, even over EVs in most cases (save very long term).

 

[710-oil-614]

I don’t get the point though. No one calculates a hybrid’s MPG or efficiency on what just the gas engine produced. You don’t say a smaller hybrid engine is less efficient on its own vs. a regular (EcoBoost) because that’s not how it operates.

Sure bought gas for all 7,900 miles… but that amount of gas purchased would have covered 4,225 miles instead of 7,916 if not for the hybrid. Even if the gas engine was more efficient on its own, the numbers would still favor hybrid setup.

Cost of total distance traveled all that counts. Hybrid wins every day, even over EVs in most cases (save very long term).

You said above that they were "free" miles and that's not true. They were just miles driven at a Mav calculated 38.4mpg.

I'm not arguing against the hybrid just your characterization that those miles were free that you didn't buy gasoline for.

 

[Art Vandelay]

Regardless of the battery replacement, if you're buying a second car mainly for the purpose to save money...you're going about it the wrong way. Some back-of-the-napkin math (12000 miles a year, $3 a gallon for gas, 50/50 city/hwy driving) shows that you'll save $500 a year on gas with a hybrid FWD versus an EB AWD.

If you bought a new hybrid FWD Maverick with no options for $30k OTD, it'll take 60 years to break even on the price of the car alone.

Oof! Someone did not pay attention in math class. Either that or you fell for some random meme on Facebook and took it as fact.

 

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