Synthetic Oil (Hybrid Maverick)

[Carlitos_92]

I dunno about that "For the Life of Your Car" line. Are they saying you can get by with never changing your oil?

No. The red print under the oil weight on the front label says "Protects up to 10,000 miles."

I suspect the line is meant as "for the benefit of the longevity of your car" but I'm sure it is deliberately worded in that odd way.

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[A112358]

No. The red print under the oil weight on the front label says "Protects up to 10,000 miles."

I suspect the line is meant as "for the benefit of the longevity of your car" but I'm sure it is deliberately worded in that odd way.

Thanks, I missed that. I'm slightly colorblind and red is my weakness.

 

[HeyBales]

Is there any downside to changing oil more frequently than "recommended," other $35-$40 for the oil and filter and a half hour of your time (if you DIY)?
Cheap insurance.
Just my 7 cents (two cents after taxes and inflation).

Insurance is based on historical facts and figures, and what still applies to current situation.

So depends on what the Cheap insurance is based on, what facts & figures?
If gut feeling based on experience that was never even tests but just stories - then you are just drawing a line in the mud of info.
In which case, what is that line based on? Would 1k oil changes be even better, or 3k?
Does hybrid not running engine as often matter, or your driving scenarios?

In other words - is there a true upside to changing more often based on facts & figures?
For many - it would be spending time/money on getting another oil all over the frame so there's a chance for the body to last as long as the engine does.
Or getting a rodent solution around so the wires last as long.

 

[HeyBales]

No. The red print under the oil weight on the front label says "Protects up to 10,000 miles."

I suspect the line is meant as "for the benefit of the longevity of your car" but I'm sure it is deliberately worded in that odd way.

Figure it's the same claim as eat certain foods for the life of your body.
Not that one special bowl of oatmeal takes care of even breakfast for the rest of your life.
Now Grape Nuts, sure...

 

[A112358]

Insurance is based on historical facts and figures, and what still applies to current situation.

So depends on what the Cheap insurance is based on, what facts & figures?
If gut feeling based on experience that was never even tests but just stories - then you are just drawing a line in the mud of info.
In which case, what is that line based on? Would 1k oil changes be even better, or 3k?
Does hybrid not running engine as often matter, or your driving scenarios?

In other words - is there a true upside to changing more often based on facts & figures?
For many - it would be spending time/money on getting another oil all over the frame so there's a chance for the body to last as long as the engine does.
Or getting a rodent solution around so the wires last as long.

The previous vehicle to my 2025 Mav Hybrid AWD was a 1999 Mitsubishi Montero Sport. I changed the (conventional) oil roughly every 3000 miles. No engine work ever, aside from spark plugs, new alternator and radiator which got punctured. Made it to 222,000 miles before the tranny needed an overhaul, Decided to junk the vehicle and put the +$2,000 repair money towards the new Mav.

I'm sold on frequent oil changes.

EDIT: and a couple of timing belts and one water pump.

For the Mav, I will probably change the "erl" every 5-6000.

 

[Carlitos_92]

The previous vehicle to my 2025 Mav Hybrid AWD was a 1999 Mitsubishi Montero Sport. I changed the (conventional) oil roughly every 3000 miles. No engine work ever, aside from spark plugs, new alternator and radiator which got punctured. Made it to 222,000 miles before the tranny needed an overhaul, Decided to junk the vehicle and put the +$2,000 repair money towards the new Mav.

I'm sold on frequent il changes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation

 

[Timothyd]

Is there any downside to changing oil more frequently than "recommended," other $35-$40 for the oil and filter and a half hour of your time (if you DIY)?
Cheap insurance.
Just my 7 cents (two cents after taxes and inflation).

You're raising the price of oil! These high prices are your fault!

 

[A112358]

You're raising the price of oil! These high prices are your fault!

I only buy at Wally-mart or if it's deep on sale elsewhere. Wally sells millions of jugs every year. Their buying power and volume helps keep the price low, not high.

 

[Master Blaster]

When I had Rangers, I changed oil every 2500mi. One made it to 744k, so changing it excessively certainly seems to work. Oils have become much better lubricants since then, so I only change the oil in my Maverick every 10k now when I don't like its brown color that I see. It's a Hybrid that only runs the engine about half the time, but it is rarely up to temperature all winter and that's hard enough on the oil that the cap gets the cafe frappe problem. The OLM is pretty close when I change the oil, so it seems to be fairly accurate. I'll let you know when I hit 500k on how that's working out.

 

[A112358]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation

Agree, but then if an engine dies after 50,000 miles there may only be a correlation to the oil never having been changed.

 

[MavStangVa]

Agree, but then if an engine dies after 5,000 miles there may only be a correlation to there being an oil leak and the crankcase was empty.

If an engine dies in the first 5k it is an anomaly not an oil change issue. This is your quote " I changed the (conventional) oil roughly every 3000 miles. No engine work ever, aside from spark plugs, new alternator and radiator which got punctured. Made it to 222,000 miles ".
Since you don't have a vehicle just like it that didn't change the oil every 3k you don't know if that was beneficial or not. Someone else may have changed oil at 7500 miles in the same vehicle and went 300k miles. I am not trying to dissuade you in any way but your example is completely unscientific. My 2014 F150 I would change when the OLM was at 25%. over 100k miles in under 3 years. When I sold it to a family member it had 165k on it and they have continued to change at 25 to 30% OLM. It now has over 200k on it and guess what? Synthetic blend oil, . My late wife bought a 2005 Jeep Liberty. She had it for 12 years and had 40k miles on it. She had the oil changed every 6 months. I could state that due to her oil changes the vehicle lasted 12 years with no engine issues. Of course it had 6 power window failures, a gas tank filler issue, and dry rotted tire issue.
I hope you do what you feel is best and NOT what anyone on this forum says. I know I will. Happy Mavericking.

 

[Glen Baker LLC]

Anecdotal information at best.
Antidotal stories aside.
Hasn't oil performance and future longevity been tested by folks using Blackstone and other testing labs??
As I recall all have come back good for further use.
I'm sure if even one came back bad, we would have read about it, over and over......

This is what I consider testing.

 

[Carlitos_92]

Agree, but then if an engine dies after 50,000 miles there may only be a correlation to the oil never having been changed.

The baseline is “per the manufacturer schedule,” not “never.” There is just no record of modern engines falling apart where the root cause can be attributed to an 8,000-10,000 mile interval.

In other words, your own anecdotal evidence is not really much of an argument against everyone who followed the manufacturer recommendations and got the exact same end results.

 

[Cherokee]

Oil study conducted in NYC with two V-6 engines. Same Ford pick ups same company
Same route work, delivery work, summer.
Server duty.
This was done way back when synthetics were new and not trusted by the old farts and their 3,000 mile oil change interval religion. This interval was widely accepted and correct for the pre CNC engines and the oils of the day.

Oil is considered used up, no longer effective when the additive package depletes below
10%

Engine one was fed the best roach oil of the day.
The oil additive package was depleted at or near 7,000 miles on repeated oil changes.

Engine two was fed the best full synthetic of the day.
The oil additive package was depleted at or near 15,000 miles.

The oil will continue to lubricate after the additives are depleted but it’s lost all its detergent properties along with its anti corrosion properties.

People see dark oil and change it.
My Turbo turns my full synthetic oil dark in a couple of thousand miles.

High mileage
In heavy commercial use I took a 2.7 Ltr Taco 4 banger to 528,000 trouble free miles on full synthetic and 10-12,000 mile oil change intervals.
AND
Took an AMC 4.0 L straight six designed in 1957 and converted to EFI in the late 80’s to 394,000 trouble free miles on roach oil and 5,000 mile service intervals.
The rear main was beat to death due to play in the crank bearings.

I wore both the above motors out. The taco
Lost compression and the Jeep lost oil.

Would the 4.0 have lasted
longer on full synthetic ?
Very likely I would think. I’ll never know.

Both of these motors had regular
Italian tune ups.

 

[wax87]

Is there any downside to changing oil more frequently than "recommended," other $35-$40 for the oil and filter and a half hour of your time (if you DIY)?
Cheap insurance.
Just my 7 cents (two cents after taxes and inflation).

nope

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