NEW ELECTRIC CHINESE TRUCK?

[Chops]

We are no longer a production nation, we are a consumer nation.
Proven by people who buy a new Maverick every couple of years. Like toyz. :XD

Being a “consumer nation” is a hallmark of Capitalism. It gets a bit complicated when much of your “means of production” reside in a Communist nation.

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[LSchicago]

Ford is coming out with a small EV truck next year.

 

[MaverRick]

I still miss the instant torque and acceleration that we got with the MachE! We have tried HEV, BEV and PHEV. My Wife currently has an Outlander PHEV that gets 40+ miles of EV driving on a full charge. I charge it at home and we use it for most of our local driving.

 

[Deleted member 45110]

Tesla is 99% American made, even the circuitry, just not the tires.
In Texas I think.

Its a global world market
https://www.notateslaapp.com/news/2...f-parts-made-in-north-america-for-2025-models

Other quick google search
Says parts are resourced from China and Mexico as well.

 

[JohnCondren1933]

The US now does have lithium mines, see Navada
Stock ticker name LAC I believe is one.

Funny! If you look at where the components come from, its much less than 50%. The U.S. does not have lithium mines for example.

 

[Surly Old Bill]

We are no longer a production nation, we are a consumer nation.
Proven by people who buy a new Maverick every couple of years. Like toyz. :XD

yep, "post industrial", and the most socio-economic backwards country to have that definition.

 

[Chops]

yep, "post industrial", and the most socio-economic backwards country to have that definition.

US is a hybrid Industrial / Post Industrial country like no other. It is the Maverick Hybrid of world economies

I can’t think of a better hybrid country.

 

[Master Blaster]

The US now does have lithium mines, see Navada
Stock ticker name LAC I believe is one.

If you look deeper, GM has exclusive access to that mine, it will be removing the overlay burden for 20 years, and then will be producing for 46 years. Its and awful long way from producing batteries only for a Tesla competitor who can't seem to even make safe battery packs. The Tesla batteries are made by Panasonic using mostly Chinese components and Philippine or Canadian cobalt.

Aside from the battery packs, the Tesla tires are made in China, the aluminum frame and skins are made using Canadian aluminum, the copper in the electric components is made in Peru or Canada, and what's left? 10% U.S. plastic components?

 

[MakinDoForNow]

Ford is coming out with a small EV truck next year.

Looks like hybrid EV's have been around over 100 years.

 

[JohnCondren1933]

The challenge wirh electric power delivery & capacity is that they are not linerar. E vs will be fine for the majority of people who do commutes to and from work, but you start hauling a load, and range starts dropping like a rock with temperatures.
Double the battery capacity might almost double the range of commuting, but it absolutely does not with hauling a load.
I think with trucks, we'll start moving to a plug in hybrid with a comparatively smaller battery, and a small motor generator and small gas tank that essentially works as a battery recharger for range extending.
There simply comes a point where adding more battery is adding more.Weight which uses more battery which generates more heat, triggering a massive chain reaction of range degradation when the cooling system can't keep up with hauling a load uphill.

I still miss the instant torque and acceleration that we got with the MachE! We have tried HEV, BEV and PHEV. My Wife currently has an Outlander PHEV that gets 40+ miles of EV driving on a full charge. I charge it at home and we use it for most of our local driving.

 

[dochawk]

"We make cheaper by cut out very expensive in process quality checks"

Obviousing real quotations not.

Seriously, Chinglish awlays has an incomprehensible gerund!

Copying the shape of the Maverick instead of the Cyber Truck was a good move

Hardly a high standard.

Copying the shape of a rhododendron instead of the cybertruck would be a good move!

 

[Cancunbadlands]

I see a lot of BYD cars everywhere in my town

 

[Surly Old Bill]

Saw a pic on some story about the Ford $30k electric pickup. It looked a LOT like a Rivian. Had a front end that looked very similar to a '25 Maverick. That must be what the wind tunnel wants. And what the wind tunnel wants, the wind tunnel gets.
I'm trying to find that pic, But I can't. I'm finding a LOT of different looking pickups claiming to be the $30k midsize Ford EV pickup, all of which are AI speculations. Maybe the one I saw was also an AI speculation.

Also, by 2027, that $30k will likely be at least $35k if not over $40k because of the economic leadership in DC. Kind of like the Slate pickup was supposed to be $20k, but over the span of 6 months the estimate base price creeped up to almost $30k.

 

[Glen Baker LLC]

Saw a pic on some story about the Ford $30k electric pickup. It looked a LOT like a Rivian. Had a front end that looked very similar to a '25 Maverick. That must be what the wind tunnel wants. And what the wind tunnel wants, the wind tunnel gets.
I'm trying to find that pic, But I can't. I'm finding a LOT of different looking pickups claiming to be the $30k midsize Ford EV pickup, all of which are AI speculations. Maybe the one I saw was also an AI speculation.

Also, by 2027, that $30k will likely be at least $35k if not over $40k because of the economic leadership in DC. Kind of like the Slate pickup was supposed to be $20k, but over the span of 6 months the estimate base price creeped up to almost $30k.

If I understand it correctly. Slate will have to sell about 100,000 trucks a year to be profitable. I don't see that happening in the consumer market. Where 4 doors rule the road. This trend goes way back to automobiles and convenience.
Jun 1, 2015 · Four door cars were outselling two doors by 1955.
Some are going to say, there is the commercial and Fleet Market. Manufacturers make very little profit from Fleet Sales vs consumer sales.
Tesla took about 17 years from its founding in 2003 to achieve its first full-year profit in 2020, though it had sporadic quarterly profits earlier (like Q1 2013). Achieving consistent profitability involved scaling production, particularly with the Model 3, and relying on regulatory credit sales initially, with 2020 marking the crucial turning point for sustained annual success.
Now that the US has discontinued tax credits for the EV industry sales have dropped to almost a four-year low.
We'll see how this shakes out.
I'm sure Jeff Bezos and his investors know better than me.

 

[Surly Old Bill]

If I understand it correctly. Slate will have to sell about 100,000 trucks a year to be profitable. I don't see that happening in the consumer market. Where 4 doors rule the road. This trend goes way back to automobiles and convenience.
Jun 1, 2015 · Four door cars were outselling two doors by 1955.
Some are going to say, there is the commercial and Fleet Market. Manufacturers make very little profit from Fleet Sales vs consumer sales.
Tesla took about 17 years from its founding in 2003 to achieve its first full-year profit in 2020, though it had sporadic quarterly profits earlier (like Q1 2013). Achieving consistent profitability involved scaling production, particularly with the Model 3, and relying on regulatory credit sales initially, with 2020 marking the crucial turning point for sustained annual success.
Now that the US has discontinued tax credits for the EV industry sales have dropped to almost a four-year low.
We'll see how this shakes out.
I'm sure Jeff Bezos and his investors know better than me.

You forget about fleet use.
I have a Transit(not Connect) and it is widely used for commercial fleets for delivery vehicles. Related; a lot of civvies complain about the eTransit(not Connect) only having a 125 mile range, but that's what the fleet operators want*, and they are the main purchasers of such vehicles.

The Slate is an interesting departure from the pickup trend of less bed space and more passenger space, also of not being marketed toward rugged individualists who like to spray gravel and dust while driving in roadless areas and trying to set course records on dirt tracks. Evidently you NEED room for 5 passengers minimum as well as huge ground clearance and 12-position heated electric seats with 5 memory positions, as well as cooling and electronic adjustable lumbar support for your rugged adventures, mainly to go to the mall with your pickup that will almost never have anything placed in it's tiny bed; so why even have a functional size bed?

But I digress. I think the Slate or similar vehicle from another brand will be hugely popular for one reason: it will be the cheapest new vehicle you can buy that is somewhat capable of doing pickup things. Reminds me of my first Tacoma, base model 2dr, which I believe was about $6500 new in 1989.

*125 miles or 200km is more than enough range for delivery and service vehicles in urban areas, where over 85% of such vehicles are used. A bigger battery module would be a more expensive vehicle, and there is no need for that extra capacity by the vast majority of customers for such a vehicle.

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