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2025 Hybrid - Potential Battery Drain?

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Does it really make sense to you that a part in a modern vehicle has to "re-learn what a fully charged 12v battery looks like?"
Takes up to 12 hours. Several for battery to settle. Does it accept charging like a standard flooded, sealed, agm, deep cycle? What is apparent sulfation? Etc.... in the good ole days we just wasted gas and time possibly overcharging which would hurt mpg meeting the cafe standards. Makes perfect sense... Variables from relays and possible current leaks through non air gap solid state switches could also be affecting things.
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I guess the main thing is to do a BMS reset when the battery is fully charged.
Done correctly it could take 12hr to get the cells to balance out, and fully charged.
Then maybe the battery is fully charged, but you would also need to check the specific gravity of the acid in each cell.
But guess what, the covers are not removable. Now this is for flooded batteries.
 

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I guess the main thing is to do a BMS reset when the battery is fully charged.
Done correctly it could take 12hr to get the cells to balance out, and fully charged.
Then maybe the battery is fully charged, but you would also need to check the specific gravity of the acid in each cell.
But guess what, the covers are not removable. Now this is for flooded batteries.
At our dealership we fully charge the battery with the Ford diagnostic charger, then we do a Bms reset. That's the quickest way and ensures that it's fully charged. Absent that, doing a Bms reset, driving the vehicle for a while, and letting it sit overnight pretty much does the trick.
 

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Does it really make sense to you that a part in a modern vehicle has to "re-learn what a fully charged 12v battery looks like?"
Sure - because it's a user replaceable item - which means there is opportunity for wrong spec'd size to be put in, and not installed correctly.

Now you have a battery sitting in the cabin that could off-gas if it's overcharged and not hooked up correctly to be vented.

Will there be lawsuits if bad consequences - despite the injured party doing the work themselves - you bet.
Mitigate what you can.
 

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I’ve had my 25 hybrid Larait go into saver mode where the dome lights didn’t come on, but no alarm or alert. Happened after sitting 4 or 5 days. We live where there’s no cell coverage at all. I think the battery drains quicker if the truck keeps trying to ping a cell tower. I know my iPhones dies within a day just trying to connect. I now have a cheap battery tender on the truck so no more issues ( not a bug, a feature!).
I believe that you can shut off the cellular in the main screen in the vehicle
 

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I believe that you can shut off the cellular in the main screen in the vehicle
The cellular connects the first thing when truck is started. I would expect the most interfacing would be the wifi connection to your cell phone just in case you would be trying to contact the truck. Your fob in your pocket won't go to sleep and if you are within range of the truck every time you scratch something perhaps the truck is keeping up with the fob? Or ???
 

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I believe that you can shut off the cellular in the main screen in the vehicle
It may marginally do so. But to be honest, that's not the problem. The amount of extra power that it uses will in no way account for the extra drainage. Those that drain do so whether they are close to a tower or not. Those that don't have an excessive drain, don't drain wherever they are. And almost anything that seems to be a solution is usually coincidental. I advise everyone that has a problem to go ahead and get the accm updated. That way, Ford will have idea of how many updates fix the problem versus how many did not. The more information they receive from the field, the better
 

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I would have done the same thing. I wonder what Ford does with the truck. Do they clean it up and then resell it with the same problem? I mean, if they don’t know what’s wrong with it, how can they fix it. Maybe they just crush it?
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If it was a true lemon law buyback, the vehicle's title is branded as such and the vehicle is sent to auction. Someone will buy it for a cheap enough price. The sketchy part is title washing. For example, have a bill of sale from the auction house and then go to a state DMV and claim that the title was lost. Then file for a replacement title that does not have salvage/lemon law branding and then take the car back to a state with higher resale values, apply for a title transfer, and you now have a clean title.

This can sort of be caught by looking at the vehicle history report. If it was registered in another state briefly, it might be title-washed. I say "might" because context matters a lot. Dealerships that move vehicles all around the country will have to register the vehicle in each state before offering it for sale. For example, if someone in California sees a Maverick in Colorado at CarMax that they want and pay the fee to get it shipped, the vehicle will then be transferred and retitled in California before being offered for sale to the prospective buyer.

If that buyer doesn't want the vehicle but a person in Washington does, the vehicle will then be transferred from California to Washington and retitled there. If that buyer does not want the vehicle either but someone in Texas does, they will see in the history report that it was titled in 3 different states in a matter of months.

If the vehicle was just sold by a previous owner without being reported as a lemon law, that's the luck of the draw on the new owner. A dealership will do a quick inspection and then put it on the lot. A diligent prospective buyer might look at the CarFax report and pass on a vehicle that has had half a dozen dealership service visits in a year.

To Bob, buyback vehicles are retitled as lemon which drastically reduces the value. They are then sent to auction to be sold as is. In this particular case, if someone knew exactly what the issue is, they could almost steal a really nice Lariat under 8K miles for probably less than $20K. It doesn't even need a trickle charger as it started every time. You just can't use the FordPass app. I wasn't willing to deal with it long term. But someone is going to land a gem of a deal even if they don't have knowledge of the details.
I once knowingly bought a lemon law buyback that was, rather interestingly, offered for sale by a franchised dealership, obviously with the disclosure that it was a lemon law buyback. I don't even recall what the original lemon law problem was. I drove that car another 100k miles before selling it and it never gave me an ounce of trouble.
 

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Today I had the service writer at Conway Heaton FORD in Bardstown, KY try to convince me that my 12vdc USB adapter and my OBDII reader were causing my 12vdc battery drain issues. This was after explaining to me the alternator was charging ok.

I explained to him that is a hybrid and has no alternator and that I plugged in the OBDII reader after the second day of "Remote Features Disabled to save battery" so that I could monitor battery voltage. It's been driven hundreds of miles with 14.6 to 14.7 volts. I also explained that I stayed in the truck last night and waited to confirm all accessory power shut off. That included the 12vdc socket.

I guess it's time to try Swope Ford in Elizabethtown, KY or elsewhere for service. I read a MIL code indicating a possible weak battery.

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Today I had the service writer at Conway Heaton FORD in Bardstown, KY try to convince me that my 12vdc USB adapter and my OBDII reader were causing my 12vdc battery drain issues. This was after explaining to me the alternator was charging ok.

I explained to him that is a hybrid and has no alternator and that I plugged in the OBDII reader after the second day of "Remote Features Disabled to save battery" so that I could monitor battery voltage. It's been driven hundreds of miles with 14.6 to 14.7 volts. I also explained that I stayed in the truck last night and waited to confirm all accessory power shut off. That included the 12vdc socket.

I guess it's time to try Swope Ford in Elizabethtown, KY or elsewhere for service. I read a MIL code indicating a possible weak battery.

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Ya - OBD turns off when power ports do, or sooner.
I've never tried to observe on the rare occasion I had full 12VB, but for sure when the battery saver functions are kicking in - those goes off when interior lights go off on door close.
They can go longer.
But my OBD goes to 3 mA sleep mode after 20 min of no activity on the data lines. So that beats the 75 min max to sleep mode for rest the truck.

Check your scan tool error logs for modules. My ACCM will get one frequently about failure to communicate with ECM. Not sure if it's trying when everything else has gone to sleep and it should have also. Or on startup when things are busy and it was just a timing issue.
My PID for sleeping current still shows around 60 mA average on many occasions, so 10 more than it should be - but that should hardly cause a fast enough drain in 1/2 day to cause a concern.

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Ya - OBD turns off when power ports do, or sooner.
I've never tried to observe on the rare occasion I had full 12VB, but for sure when the battery saver functions are kicking in - those goes off when interior lights go off on door close.
They can go longer.
But my OBD goes to 3 mA sleep mode after 20 min of no activity on the data lines. So that beats the 75 min max to sleep mode for rest the truck.

Check your scan tool error logs for modules. My ACCM will get one frequently about failure to communicate with ECM. Not sure if it's trying when everything else has gone to sleep and it should have also. Or on startup when things are busy and it was just a timing issue.
My PID for sleeping current still shows around 60 mA average on many occasions, so 10 more than it should be - but that should hardly cause a fast enough drain in 1/2 day to cause a concern.

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There's an update for that if it's a 2025 It's either a tsb or an SSM . It also involves updating the air condition control module. So it may be worth having the update performed. If you are fortunate, it may solve the issues
 

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Correct me if Im wrong.
The 12VDC battery in hybrid is charged by the high-voltage traction battery DC-DC converter.

When the key is turned to "off" the HV to 12VDC battery charging circuit is de-energized, ie will not trickle charge the 12VDC battery if something is draining the 12VDC, correct?

So then it seems that when you turn on your Maverick, even if the 12VDC has slow drained all night, the HV battery has not drained & it will recharge the 12VDC battery right?

Unless something is also slow draining the HV traction battery, it should have enough charge to get the 12VDC recharged up to 12VDC in 15-20 minutes.

Most of the vehicle modules are powered by the 12VDC in ecoboost are also powered by 12VDC in hybrid right?

Stuff powered by the traction battery would only be stuff not on the ecoboost such as:
-Motor starting circuitry (no puny 12VDC starter motor in hybrid).
-Hybrid drive inverter
-HV traction battery charging BMS

?-12VDC battery charging controls, since its charged by the HV traction battery?
Unless the 12VDC battery charging controller requires 12VDC from the 12VDC battery to close a relay for 12VDC charging to occur



There is most definitely more to this than simply poor battery quality. I have been to hell and back (no wait I haven't returned yet) with this issue. My 24 hybrid has spent close to 2 months altogether in service. They finally relented and installed an AGM under warranty hoping to resolve this once and for all. It did not help and the undercharging issue persists. They have Ford service engineers investigating, testing, updating and reprogramming and yet they still have no idea what or where the source of this issue is. I have of course accumulated a lengthy paper trail. Along with that and time in service I have decided to file for a buyback.
My intention is to get a new '25 Lariat hybrid but it is a bit distressing to hear this gremlin is still out there. It's a bit of a crapshoot.
 

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Sadly, the BMS system has some bad readings/sensors I think, and it's not doing as well as it thinks on recharge time
I have wondered whether the vehicle to vehicle variation in experience is due either the 12v battery sensor part tolerance or even PCM internal A/D conversion of the battery voltage is the cause. Not sure of the lighter outlet or other 12v points are directly across the 12v battery, or rather upstream across the DC-DC converter; i.e. some posts say they see 15v+ at those points. I doubt the 12v battery terminal voltage ever gets that high.

I don't have detailed electrical diagrams for the hybrid to understand where the sensor(s) are, and whether the sensor is cheap to replace, or if it can be "fooled".
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